CFII Before CFI ?

[Amish RakeFight]

Can a CFI-I with no other rating give the 3hrs of control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by reference to instruments... for the initial private certificate?

My understanding is that this will normally be done by the instructor signing off the Private Pilot applicant, therefore it will be the CFI-A who will conduct the 3 hours of hood time. A CFI-I is not necessary for this.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I hope this discussion is more theoretical in nature as most aspiring pilots will get the CFI first anyway. Those that earn the CFI-I first, usually do so with the intent of getting the CFI to follow, as most instructor programs seem to be designed this way.

Someone mentioned that they knew of a CFI-I only who conducted IFR training exclusively. I have to guess that this is very rare to only have the CFI-I certificate.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Someone mentioned that they knew of a CFI-I only who conducted IFR training exclusively. I have to guess that this is very rare to only have the CFI-I certificate.

There are those CFI-IA only people out there. I know several and for whatever reason, they like being CFI-IA's only, They only doing instrument work.

 

[AC560]

My understanding is that this will normally be done by the instructor signing off the Private Pilot applicant, therefore it will be the CFI-A who will conduct the 3 hours of hood time. A CFI-I is not necessary for this.

I get that and the question usually comes up is can you use those 3hrs for qualifying for the instrument rating. The answer is yes if those 3hrs were signed by a CFI-I no if it was just a CFI-A.

My question though is can a CFI-I (with no other instructor ratings) give those 3hrs to a student pilot .

 

[nosehair]

My question though is can a CFI-I (with no other instructor ratings) give those 3hrs to a student pilot .

The nature of your question assumes that a CFI-IA can give instrument training in an aircraft, which is not exactly in accordance with the regulations, but it is being done, so here is my take on that.

Since the nature of the instruction is "control of an aircraft by reference to instruments", I would say that the instructor must have a CFI-Airplane rating.

But the question is moot, since a CFI-IA only cannot, in the strictest interpretation of the reg, give any in-flight instruction.

A CFI-IA can give instrument instruction in a sim. That is why the FAA can issue this CFI-IA only. It can be held alone and worked alone, as long as you stay out of the airplane.

 

[nosehair]

the question usually comes up is can you use those 3hrs for qualifying for the instrument rating. The answer is yes if those 3hrs were signed by a CFI-I no if it was just a CFI-A.

The total instrument hours required for instrument rating is 40 hours instrument (actual or simulated) time. Only 15 of those hours need be with a CFI-IA.
61.65(a)(2)(i)
The other 25 may be with a CFI-A or even with a non-CFI safety pilot.

So, yes, the 3 hours you get as a student do count.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

There are those CFI-IA only people out there. I know several and for whatever reason, they like being CFI-IA's only, They only doing instrument work.

You can't blame them. Teaching instruments is way more fun than the average private pilot curriculum.

 

[AC560]

So, yes, the 3 hours you get as a student do count.

For the 40 but not necessarily the 15. If your instructor for your primary is a CFI-I and endorses your 3hrs as such they do. Sorry if I was unclear.

As to my other question (can a CFI-I teach these 3hrs for private initial) I am actually more interested in a response from the people who think a CFI-I can teach in an airplane with no other CFI rating.

 

[AC560]

As to my other question (can a CFI-I teach these 3hrs for private initial) I am actually more interested in a response from the people who think a CFI-I can teach in an airplane with no other CFI rating.

Anyone?

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I've never seen anything that says you can or cannot use a CFII who does not also have a CFI.
I believe that you could use a CFII as long as he is rated in the category and class of airplane on his pilot certificate, is current, and he has a valid aviation medical certificate.
There is nothing that restricts a CFII to teaching instrument rating students only. It only limits him to teaching instrument flight training.

To be safe, I would consult an FAA authority before paying for this service.