CFI expiration date?

[superfreight208]

Got a ATP certificate back in April of 2008. (CFI was current then) Since I took a practical does my CFI renew because of that? It says on my CFI that it expires in November 2010? Is this true? It would be 24 months from the date of ATP.

Thanks

 

[PC12Cowboy]

your kidding right????
look it up.ratings are for BFR's not for FIRC

 

[keebird]

Seriously...If you really don't know the answer to that, you probably shouldn't have a CFI certificate.

 

[JAFI]

It seems Superfrieght is not a Super CFI. So how about some instructing here.

A student walks up (to SF) and asks how can he renew his/her CFI.

So SF, where can a pilot find the LEGAL (hint) information on how CERTIFICATION (hint) is done?

(Jeopardy theme song playing here awaiting answer)

 

[superfreight208]

Seriously...If you really don't know the answer to that, you probably shouldn't have a CFI certificate.

You actually think I am instructing right NOW!! You stupid son of a .......................!

Go fly your 150 around the patch!

 

[PC12Cowboy]

Dude... your gonna be a hater, Commercial flying is one thing, instructing is just another form flying..which means we are all doing the same thing...doing something we love..now to renew your CFI you must accomplish a FIRC program every two years regardless of ratings added...And you can now renew your CFI up to four months of the expiration(the expiration month plus three) and keep the same month..I like the AOPA two day weekend course all done in a weekend.and they do ALL the paperwork..just don't let it expire or you must do a check ride.

here is the reg,
Sec. 61.197 - Renewal of flight instructor certificates.
(a) A person who holds a flight instructor certificate that has not expired may renew that certificate by --
(1) Passing a practical test for --
(i) One of the ratings listed on the current flight instructor certificate; or
(ii) An additional flight instructor rating; or
(2) Presenting to an authorized FAA Flight Standards Inspector --
(i) A record of training students showing that, during the preceding 24 calendar months, the flight instructor has endorsed at least five students for a practical test for a certificate or rating and at least 80 percent of those students passed that test on the first attempt;
(ii) A record showing that, within the preceding 24 calendar months, the flight instructor has served as a company check pilot, chief flight instructor, company check airman, or flight instructor in a part 121 or part 135 operation, or in a position involving the regular evaluation of pilots; or
(iii) A graduation certificate showing that, within the preceding 3 calendar months, the person has successfully completed an approved flight instructor refresher course consisting of ground training or flight training, or a combination of both.
(b) The expiration month of a renewed flight instructor certificate shall be 24 calendar months from --
(1) The month the renewal requirements of paragraph (a) of this section are accomplished; or
(2) The month of expiration of the current flight instructor certificate provided --
(i) The renewal requirements of paragraph (a) of this section are accomplished within the 3 calendar months preceding the expiration month of the current flight instructor certificate, and
(ii) If the renewal is accomplished under paragraph (a)(2)(iii) of this section, the approved flight instructor refresher course must be completed within the 3 calendar months preceding the expiration month of the current flight instructor certificate.
(c) The practical test required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section may be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device if the test is accomplished pursuant to an approved course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

 

[mitsdriver]

Since you asked...

Got a ATP certificate back in April of 2008. (CFI was current then) Since I took a practical does my CFI renew because of that? It says on my CFI that it expires in November 2010? Is this true? It would be 24 months from the date of ATP.

Thanks

Three ways to renew a CFI certificate:

1)Taking a practical test for CFI.

2)Complete an approved FIRC.

3)Present a satisfactory student pass rate to FSDO.

So no, the ATP checkride (or any checkride other than that for a CFI) would not count toward the CFI renewal.

 

[superfreight208]

WOW an honest answer!! Thanks

Thanks

Dude... your gonna be a hater, Commercial flying is one thing, instructing is just another form flying..which means we are all doing the same thing...doing something we love..now to renew your CFI you must accomplish a FIRC program every two years regardless of ratings added...And you can now renew your CFI up to four months of the expiration(the expiration month plus three) and keep the same month..I like the AOPA two day weekend course all done in a weekend.and they do ALL the paperwork..just don't let it expire or you must do a check ride.

here is the reg,
Sec. 61.197 - Renewal of flight instructor certificates.
(a) A person who holds a flight instructor certificate that has not expired may renew that certificate by --
(1) Passing a practical test for --
(i) One of the ratings listed on the current flight instructor certificate; or
(ii) An additional flight instructor rating; or
(2) Presenting to an authorized FAA Flight Standards Inspector --
(i) A record of training students showing that, during the preceding 24 calendar months, the flight instructor has endorsed at least five students for a practical test for a certificate or rating and at least 80 percent of those students passed that test on the first attempt;
(ii) A record showing that, within the preceding 24 calendar months, the flight instructor has served as a company check pilot, chief flight instructor, company check airman, or flight instructor in a part 121 or part 135 operation, or in a position involving the regular evaluation of pilots; or
(iii) A graduation certificate showing that, within the preceding 3 calendar months, the person has successfully completed an approved flight instructor refresher course consisting of ground training or flight training, or a combination of both.
(b) The expiration month of a renewed flight instructor certificate shall be 24 calendar months from --
(1) The month the renewal requirements of paragraph (a) of this section are accomplished; or
(2) The month of expiration of the current flight instructor certificate provided --
(i) The renewal requirements of paragraph (a) of this section are accomplished within the 3 calendar months preceding the expiration month of the current flight instructor certificate, and
(ii) If the renewal is accomplished under paragraph (a)(2)(iii) of this section, the approved flight instructor refresher course must be completed within the 3 calendar months preceding the expiration month of the current flight instructor certificate.
(c) The practical test required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section may be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device if the test is accomplished pursuant to an approved course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

 

[keebird]

You actually think I am instructing right NOW!! You stupid son of a .......................!

Go fly your 150 around the patch!

Whether or not you are instructing right NOW [sic] is irrelevant...You are the holder of a valid flight instructor certificate.. There is nothing wrong with not knowing the answer off the top of your head but as a CFI you should definitely know where to look it up on your own.

Your CFI expiration date is written right on the certificate.
How to renew it is clearly spelled out in 14 CFR part 61.197

 

[JAFI]

And you gave him/her the answer, he still doesn't know how to FIND the answer or is too lazy. You did him no favors. It makes one wonder what he will be teaching a student or other pilots when they seek his "wisdom".

 

[JAFI]

Three BASIC ways to renew a CFI certificate:

1)Taking a practical test for CFI.

2)Complete an approved FIRC.

3)Present a satisfactory student pass rate to FSDO.

So no, the ATP checkride (or any checkride other than that for a CFI) would not count toward the CFI renewal.

There are four, so I corrected your statement......


1. Passing a practical test for ...



(or) Presenting to an authorized FAA Flight Standards Inspector:

2. A record of training students showing - least 80 percent of those students passed that test on the first attempt

3. A record ... showing... in a position involving the regular evaluation of pilots

4. A graduation certificate showing that


But the OP still doesn't know how to find the answer or is too lazy.

 

[Mr Wu]

he still doesn't know how to FIND the answer or is too lazy.

Doesn't matter as he wouldn't remember just like he doesn't remember doing a refresher/rating 7 months after his ATP in April 2008 so he could get a November 2010 expiration date on his CFI.

 

[JAFI]

Got a ATP certificate back in April of 2008. (CFI was current then) Since I took a practical does my CFI renew because of that? It says on my CFI that it expires in November 2010? Is this true? It would be 24 months from the date of ATP.

Thanks

I think the only answer for a question like this should be "YES, you are good to GO - I would not do a thing......." Free legal advice - you get what you pay for.

What do you think Mr. Wu????

 

[Balou]

You can renew by taking an online course for $100-150 thru many companies. Gliem is a decent one. make sure you complete it within 3 months BEFORE your exp date !!

Getting your atp only counts as a BFR and 6 month IFR currency.

 

[Mr Wu]

I think the only answer for a question like this should be "YES, you are good to GO - I would not do a thing......." Free legal advice - you get what you pay for.

What do you think Mr. Wu????

..:beer:..

 

[mitsdriver]

And you gave him/her the answer, he still doesn't know how to FIND the answer or is too lazy. You did him no favors. It makes one wonder what he will be teaching a student or other pilots when they seek his "wisdom".

Sometimes it's classic case of a blind leading a blind with some of the instructors out there. I once ran into a CFI who was convinced he could log turbine time on FBO's T-182 (because turbochargers have turbines) and told his students as such. Yikes!

 

[JAFI]

Sometimes it's classic case of a blind leading a blind with some of the instructors out there. I once ran into a CFI who was convinced he could log turbine time on FBO's T-182 (because turbochargers have turbines) and told his students as such. Yikes!

I was reviewing a pilot’s logbook when I noticed he had some B737 PIC time. I asked him how he could have logged PIC time in a B737 when he did not have a B737 type rating........ I think CLASSIC is a good term....not dumb enough for a Darwin award, but not even close enough to consider a "Knowledgeable Professional".


Aviation Law (Regulations) is not an easy read. You have to know how to “speak” FAR (now CFR) to understand exactly what you need to do to remain legal. I think as an industry, Aviation does not teach the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR’s) well. No one enjoyed reading regulations so our instructors glossed over them in ground school. Remember how they read them fast so they could meet the requirement and get done quickly. As a new Instructor, we did the same. The longer the time out of ground school and with the need to maybe learn Part 141, 142, 125, 135, and 121Regulations we start to forget 61 and 91 which still apply in many cases. The Flight Instructor Refresher Clinics do not review all the regs as in Instructor ground school. It really irritates me when Professional Pilots do not even try.

This is an extreme case but true.

An Airman showed up at the office and said he wanted to renew his CFI. I started him on the 8710 and asked if he had any paperwork for me to review. He said “No” and went back to filling out the application. I asked if he had a Graduation Certificate (from a weekend refresher school) or a record of a pass rate. He said “No”. I waited a moment and said “what are you basing your renewal on?” He said “I want to renew my CFI”. I said “I understand that, but you have to base the renewal on one of the items in regulations”. He had a blank look and said “I want to renew my CFI”. I asked him to wait until I got a copy of the regulations. I showed him 61.197 and pointed out the items he can accomplish to base the renewal. He read the reg twice and looked at me and said “I want to renew my CFI”. I said we cannot renew your CFI unless you meet one of the requirements. He looked at me then walked out the door. He started this 15 minutes before closing time on the day of his CFI expiration. By the time he got to his car, his CFI expired.

 

[mitsdriver]

I was reviewing a pilot’s logbook when I noticed he had some B737 PIC time. I asked him how he could have logged PIC time in a B737 when he did not have a B737 type rating........ I think CLASSIC is a good term....not dumb enough for a Darwin award, but not even close enough to consider a "Knowledgeable Professional".


Aviation Law (Regulations) is not an easy read. You have to know how to “speak” FAR (now CFR) to understand exactly what you need to do to remain legal. I think as an industry, Aviation does not teach the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR’s) well. No one enjoyed reading regulations so our instructors glossed over them in ground school. Remember how they read them fast so they could meet the requirement and get done quickly. As a new Instructor, we did the same. The longer the time out of ground school and with the need to maybe learn Part 141, 142, 125, 135, and 121Regulations we start to forget 61 and 91 which still apply in many cases. The Flight Instructor Refresher Clinics do not review all the regs as in Instructor ground school. It really irritates me when Professional Pilots do not even try.

This is an extreme case but true.

An Airman showed up at the office and said he wanted to renew his CFI. I started him on the 8710 and asked if he had any paperwork for me to review. He said “No” and went back to filling out the application. I asked if he had a Graduation Certificate (from a weekend refresher school) or a record of a pass rate. He said “No”. I waited a moment and said “what are you basing your renewal on?” He said “I want to renew my CFI”. I said “I understand that, but you have to base the renewal on one of the items in regulations”. He had a blank look and said “I want to renew my CFI”. I asked him to wait until I got a copy of the regulations. I showed him 61.197 and pointed out the items he can accomplish to base the renewal. He read the reg twice and looked at me and said “I want to renew my CFI”. I said we cannot renew your CFI unless you meet one of the requirements. He looked at me then walked out the door. He started this 15 minutes before closing time on the day of his CFI expiration. By the time he got to his car, his CFI expired.

It almost sounds as if the guy thought a CFI renewal is akin to a driver's license renewal where all one has to do is to show up, fill out some forms, and pay a fee... :laugh:

 

[regionalcap]

By the time he got to his car, his CFI expired.

I think that might be a good thing in this case.