Cessna 182 crash on video

[crash-proof]

Shows you what happens when you mix a small runway + hot n high + overloading. That's what it looks like to me anyways.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWC2XJYgcJU

Miracle he didn't wipe out the onlookers!!!

 

[Pantherjon]

Sad...Especially for a med evac flight..With all that equipment, one would think the pilot would have common sense to realize he was over gross..Such a pity..

 

[Fugawe]

The day you wished your pilot was a little more experienced.....or smarter.

Sad.


Fugawe

 

[FN FAL]

The day you wished your pilot was a little more experienced.....or smarter.

Be careful, critiquing a 182 pilot will get you three visits from the International Cessna High Wing Pilot's Association. They will come one at a time and speak quietly with you and give you education.

 

[LXJ31]

Be careful, critiquing a 182 pilot will get you three visits from the International Cessna High Wing Pilot's Association. They will come one at a time and speak quietly with you and give you education.

Happened to Ebenezer Scrooge, could happen to anyone.

 

[Murdoughnut]

If this the same accident they were talking about over on airliners.net (I'm not positive because I couldn't access the video) it was a medical flight in Columbia, and the only survivor was the pilot, but apparently he was burned over most of his body. Sad.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Be careful, critiquing a 182 pilot will get you three visits from the International Cessna High Wing Pilot's Association. They will come one at a time and speak quietly with you and give you education.

FN FAL I like your Humor!!!!!!

 

[Rally]

He had so much runway if he wld have just let it speed up instead of goosing it off. Thats so sad.

 

[FN FAL]

FN FAL I like your Humor!!!!!!

A bored skydiver is a dangerous thing.

 

[MJG]

Yea seems like from the video that there was runway available straight ahead.

Flying while not inherently dangerous, is very unforgiving of mistakes.

 

[aussiefly]

OMG! thats unbelievable.

Why was he so sideways, didnt look like much of a crosswind. Was he just trying to goose it ????

 

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

I'm not used to looking straight at a single engine plane taking off, but it sure looked like alot of flaps was used for takeoff.

 

[AAslag]

Don't have a 360 view but.....overweight, aft CG, high density altitude notwithstanding it appears that he had plenty of room to keep it in ground effect a while to obtain some speed.

Old saying (paraphrased), better a controlled crash, than uncontrolled. Although I don't know what he hit at the end of camera view, if anything.

I feel sorry for the family that had to watch that. I cannot imagine.

 

[epic!]

yep it definently sucks, but i guess its something people can learn from

 

[SeanD]

That much flap ?

 

[GotBoost?]

The 182 can use 20deg of flaps for short field takeoff.

 

[gnx99]

Looked like he was really trying to pull it off early. It seems there was more runway available, but the video may be deceiving, so I'm probably wrong. Or, the CG was so far aft, as was stated earlier. Sad.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Look at it sink looks as if he put the flaps up prematurely

 

[agpilot34]

I dont like to speak badly of accidents like this, but this one was so blatent, I cant help it. This pilot was either really inexperienced, or really stupid. First of all, it's apparent that he didnt check the weight and balance. He should have never attempted a takeoff in the first place. Secondly, I cant figure out why he didnt abort the takeoff as soon as he got crossways and ran off the runway TOWARDS the group of onlookers, instead of trying to horse it into the air. At the most he might have hit a post or two and dinged up the plane. That's a hell of a lot better than killing yourself and your passengers. There was plenty of runway left to get up enough speed for takeoff, he just wasnt ON it. Either way, this probably would hvae ended up with an accident anyway, due to the weight and balance issues. Bad deal all the way around.

 

[sleddriver71]

It sank because he came out of ground effect, it won't climb with that much flap extension, not out of ground effect anyway. Just because the POH says you can take off with 20 degrees of flaps doesn't mean it is the best way to take off, especially when the density altitude is high. Stupid...

 

[Murdoughnut]

Was that an oxgyen tank that was loaded into the back? That would make sense as I read it was a medical flight. Hate to think that it ignited after the crash.

 

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

I used to fly air ambulance with Lears.

I never liked that feeling of someone video taping the loading of a passenger before a flight. Always felt as if a major incident would come from such an event. Taking ones soul away from us...And I'm not Indian!

It was bad enough we were working on the back side of the clock. Tired and hungry with no place to eat at 3 a.m. on some carribean island that we had to pay the tower to come and turn on the lights so we could land. Old Lears, helping the line guy spray Prist into the fuel hoping that cheap lil piece of plastic tubing stays in place so you dont go blind if it were to come off. Transferring fuel to the trunk as soon as we landed so we could use the gens to keep the juice flowing instead of the batts when we shut her down. Hoping we have enough battery to be able to relight the engines with a full trunk of fuel. Many of those islands do not have power carts available at those hours. Universal Services? Whats that? Myself and my partner in crime were the Interpreter,Customs,Immigration and Flightplanners. Boy did we come cheap. No blue team or green team to call and fix a problem, just us. I can go on and on about the bad stuff of air ambulance and how dangerous a flight can become. I am happy no one ever had a serious incident or accident at the company I used to work for.

Although it was tough work I learned alot about flying air ambulance. I never got payed so little and flew so much in my career. Most of the new recruits who come through our department will whine about alot about nothing. If they had a taste of that air ambulance and saw how good they have it compared to those days I had, believe me, the only thing they would bitch about is how uncle sam kills them every year in taxes.

Any one else had the pleasure of doing air ambulance? Would love to hear some stories. Might even start a thread if anyone is interested.

 

[sky37d]

Regardless of the mistakes, this was oh so sad

 

[SEVEN]

Regardless of the mistakes, this was oh so sad

You're right. The sad thing is the inexperienced pilot killed someone else from his mistake in poor judgement or lack thereof.

 

[Flying Illini]

Something to think about...this is probably some sort of mission/relief flying. I fly with a guy who flew for 8 years in extremely rugged terrain (Indonesia). He had this to say: You tried to keep things in balance but when you are THE ONLY LIFELINE to a village, you did what you had to do. Overweight was not uncommon when having to bring in emergency supplies or to evacuate a medical emergency.

It's unfortunate that it happened, maybe a pilot with more experience would have been able to handle the aircraft...but we don't know if this was a new guy or a guy who had been there for 3 years. Anyway, I'm sure that there was a good reason for who was on board and he was probably aware that he was at max gross or greater. Flying in and then saying that you can't take the patient and the doctor out b/c you would be over-gross won't accomplish anything...why even fly in.
It's a different type of flying that very few people can handle.

 

[sleddriver71]

As cold as it might sound, in air ambulance, you have to remember, you (the pilot), and your medcrew are already in good health. The aircraft is in good shape. The patient is already compromised. It is not worth it to take an unreasonable risk and endanger the lives of the ones who are healthy and possibly destroy the aircraft that could be used to transport many, many more patients in the future. In the long run, it's best for more people if you think of the patient in the back as a bag of hammers. You should not take unnecessary risks because you are worried that the patient might die, that's something that the pilot has to learn to desensitize himself/herself to. If it's unsafe to complete the mission as planned then change the plan, no ifs ands or buts about it.

 

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

As cold as it might sound, in air ambulance, you have to remember, you (the pilot), and your medcrew are already in good health. The aircraft is in good shape. The patient is already compromised. It is not worth it to take an unreasonable risk and endanger the lives of the ones who are healthy and possibly destroy the aircraft that could be used to transport many, many more patients in the future. In the long run, it's best for more people if you think of the patient in the back as a bag of hammers. You should not take unnecessary risks because you are worried that the patient might die, that's something that the pilot has to learn to desensitize himself/herself to. If it's unsafe to complete the mission as planned then change the plan, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Well Said.

Flyingpieceofst

 

[A Squared]

Was that an oxgyen tank that was loaded into the back? That would make sense as I read it was a medical flight. Hate to think that it ignited after the crash.

Contrary to popular belief, oxygen does not burn. If it did the air would always be catching fire.

 

[bell47]

Contrary to popular belief, oxygen does not burn. If it did the air would always be catching fire.

Really? then how does my OXY/Acetelene torch keep burning if I turn off the acetelene? That's funny because I can turn it OFF and BURN right through 1/2 plate steel. O2 only.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Contrary to popular belief, oxygen does not burn. If it did the air would always be catching fire.

Tell that to the Falcon 50 Crew that took off from TEB only to be back on the ground in less than 3 minutes due to a spark from an Entertainment system that had chaffed the oxygen line. The oxygen line started leaking out O2 and there was an immediate fire fed only from the Oxygen. I talked to the crew of that incident personally up at FSI TEB and it was a scary story to say the least.

Out of all the dumba$$ idiotic statements I have read on flightinfo yours is close to being the dumbest.

By the way Einstein the air we breathe is 78% Nitrogen and only 20% Oxygen. Nitrogen is inert.