Centurion Cargo

[metrodriver]

Cielos and Centurion have had the same owner for a long time. Cielos now has unrestricted access to the US as long as they are subchartered by Centurion. Same as LAN does. They own subsidiary airlines in several countries (Florida West in the US) with only one airplane each just to get unlimited access to those countries. Look around the Eastern U and look at all the 767-300's. All N-numbers end at LA

 

[Cold_Outside]

Cielos and Centurion have had the same owner for a long time. Cielos now has unrestricted access to the US as long as they are subchartered by Centurion. Same as LAN does. They own subsidiary airlines in several countries (Florida West in the US) with only one airplane each just to get unlimited access to those countries.

LAN is using a US Airline with US crews for flights requiring such.

Centurion is using a peruvian airline with peruvian crews for those flights.

I fail to see how that's the same.

Besides, Florida West operates I think two or three airplanes, MAS has two and ABSA has two as well.

 

[metrodriver]

FWL has one plane. There is a LAN plane that has a note on the nose gear doors "operated for Florida West Airlines". There are a host of airlines that are being chartered by LAN and operate under their own call sign or the FWL call sign. So by using a FWL call sign LAN can use foreign crews to move the cargo. There is just so much cargo that they still need outside help (and when times are weak they can dump the help and do the job with their own fleet).
Quite a few countries in S. America want to protect their own industry from LAN and put restrictions in place. To circumvent that problem LAN will set up subsidiaries with local ownership (ABSA, MAS, FWL etc)

 

[CSY Mon]

True, I have flown hundreds of LAN flights using either the Florida West call sign, or our own.

Did the same years ago for a firm called Fast Air, they were LAN's cargo operation out of Santiago.

 

[mushroom]

I ask everyone this; In those moments when you break out of an overcast or when you shove the power levers forward or when you have the plane in your hands and not the autopilot's how many of you are thinking:
- God my pay sucks,
-My company sucks
-God, i have so much money,
-I sure did look cool walking through the terminal today in my full uniform

I can tell you definitively that at Tradewinds, when you have turned off the autopilot to hand-fly the last portion of the ILS, and you lose both flight directors so you are flying a raw data approach because you can't get an FD to re-engage (YET AGAIN), and the thrust levers are more than a handle width apart to keep the same N1, and you have written up those problems and so many others MULTIPLE times and they STILL are not fixed (YET AGAIN!)....

Then I can tell from personal experience that yes, you are definitely saying "My company sucks." Actually you are usually shouting it. Been there.

 

[80for80]

I can tell you definitively that at Tradewinds, when you have turned off the autopilot to hand-fly the last portion of the ILS, and you lose both flight directors so you are flying a raw data approach because you can't get an FD to re-engage (YET AGAIN), and the thrust levers are more than a handle width apart to keep the same N1, and you have written up those problems and so many others MULTIPLE times and they STILL are not fixed (YET AGAIN!)....

Then I can tell from personal experience that yes, you are definitely saying "My company sucks." Actually you are usually shouting it. Been there.

Are they hiring?

 

[mushroom]

:laugh: Crew schedulers, as posted on climbto350.com.... Always need more of those....

 

[Cold_Outside]

FWL has one plane. There is a LAN plane that has a note on the nose gear doors "operated for Florida West Airlines". There are a host of airlines that are being chartered by LAN and operate under their own call sign or the FWL call sign. So by using a FWL call sign LAN can use foreign crews to move the cargo. There is just so much cargo that they still need outside help (and when times are weak they can dump the help and do the job with their own fleet).
Quite a few countries in S. America want to protect their own industry from LAN and put restrictions in place. To circumvent that problem LAN will set up subsidiaries with local ownership (ABSA, MAS, FWL etc)

In case you didn't get it the first time, I say it again:

LAN is using a US Airline with US crews for flights requiring such.

Centurion is using a peruvian airline with peruvian crews for those flights.

Sure, FWL might charter flights out to ABX, Gemini, Tradewinds, Atlas or others but they're always US Airlines when they have to. I've never seen a foreign airline operate a FWL Trip.

Look, I don't know why you're dragging LAN into this. My point is that with the current setup centurion is using cielos as an el-cheapo airline and is undercutting everybody else by using el-cheapo crews and MX, thus creating possible job losses for US Carriers. And now Arrow is trying something similar with Arrow Panama.

And I was asking here how that's legal. Maybe you can explain that. I really like to know.

 

[metrodriver]

LAN uses its own planes (painted in LAN colors) with South American crews operating under a FWL call sign.

quote:And I was asking here how that's legal. Maybe you can explain that. I really like to know. end quote. - ever heard of the term Miami maffia? Explains everything

 

[Sunnfun]

LAN uses its own planes (painted in LAN colors) with South American crews operating under a FWL call sign.

You got proof for that? I very highly doubt that. The only ones operating the three airplanes (One FWL and two LAN interchange) under FWL callsigns are FWL Crews.

 

[Fedora]

Don't you guys have anything better to do? Go fly your jets and have fun.
Just look at what you guys are arguing over! Unbelievable!

 

[YV-135C]

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