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Part I Notes

For anyone interested, below is my experience with the CX Part I interview which I did about a month ago in San Francisco. There was nothing really new that I hadn’t seen on here, Aviation Interviews, or pprune. This is just a current perspective.

Thanks in advance to bjammin for all his gouge and support. He’s a great guy with a ton of info, especially for the military folks, and seems to be the board’s advocate for CX.

I stayed with a friend and drove into the city so I ended up about an hour and a half early for the 0900 interview. I bought a coffee from the nearby Starbucks and relaxed in Union Square while reviewing notes one last time. (The café in the Square does not open until about 0830.) FYI, for that last minute check in the mirror, the parking garage under Union Square has very clean restrooms on the north side across from Cathay’s office in the Tiffany building that one can access with the parking ticket.

A polite woman from the staff met me at the door and had me wait about 3 minutes in the lounge area. She then came back, collected my passport, licenses and logbook and then escorted me to the test room. The test was 30 question / 30-minute multiple-choice test. Most questions had three choices and were fairly straightforward – standard aero stuff but there were a few I had to think about: the axis of rotation were labeled with the British nomenclature, there were questions on Frise ailerons, ground looping on tail draggers, stability, etc. I finished in about 15 min and then took another 10 min to double check the answers since I invariably end up marking an answer wrong, which I did, so I was glad to have time to recheck.

I turned the test in to the same woman and took a quick head break. When I came back into the Cathay spaces, one of the gentlemen who I would be interviewing with met me. We made some polite small talk walking back to the interview room, which overlooked Union Square, where we met the other interviewer. A model of the CX-747-400 pax bird was in the center of the table, my logbook and other documents were on the side, and it appeared that they had reviewed them while I had been taking the test. The second gentleman asked most sincerely that I make myself comfortable and since the room was a bit warm I took my jacket off; I also keep my bottle of water out on the table. He then described the process in which he would go first with HR type questions and then the other interviewer would follow with mainly technical questions and maybe some follow-up HR questions.

HR questions from the first up to bat: Take as much time as you need and walk us thru your career. How did you pay for college? There were questions about my previous professional career in the tech industry before I joined the Navy and started flying. Why do you want to fly? Tell us about your first flight. He was curious about the Navy’s selection process for Post-graduate School. He asked about what I did in my present job on the wing staff. Was I involved with determining if students meet training standards? (Yes specifically when I fly as an instructor, not for their overall grades thru the syllabus.) What other companies had I applied to and what were the attributes at those companies, other than the financial aspects, that were important to me? What was the attraction to Cathay? What would I do if I had a class date from company X that was before the second interview from Cathay? Why are you retiring from the military? Where do you see yourself in 5 years? Why should we hire you? Will I have the same job satisfaction if I am just flying and don’t have all the ground jobs? (YES!) How do I think I did on the tech test? How had I prepared for the interview? Where does CX fly in North America? (I forgot Toronto & Anchorage; I just could not pull those two out of my brain even though I had looked at the route map about an hour before and told him so. Win some, lose some.) He also asked if I knew what the recent aircraft order was.


Toward the end of his questioning, he told me that if I were called back, the sim check would be in the -200 so I would want to ensure that I was prepared for that. I took that as a good sign.

The next gentleman followed up with some HR questions as well: How does customer service apply to the freighter side? Why hadn’t I applied to company Y? Company Z is hiring lots of Navy pilots, what about them? Questions about moving to HK – how would we cope, what did we expect, it not the same as with the Navy…etc. (This whole subject btw, was very easy for me; we have lived in Hi & twice in Italy and the opportunity to live in Asia for a few years is very attractive to us. My wife is a 10-move veteran and says, “Bring it on!”)

The general theme of the HR questions seemed to be twofold: 1) one for them to get to know you, your career and motivation to fly and 2) to get a feel for your sincerity, interest and motivation for Cathay Pacific and your willingness to move to Hong Kong, if even just for a short while.

Interviewer number two then moved into the tech questions: What is the tropopause? Mach number effects in a climb? Wx in HK? Hurricanes in HK? A hurricane is coming at HK from due south, what would I expect the duty rw to be the few days prior? Where is gas kept in the -400? Why in the horizontal stab? Questions on the P-3 prop system and failure modes. What are the differences between the motors on the Metroliner (previous aircraft) and the KingAir (current aircraft)? He started to ask about the Saberliner, I told him that was a long time ago (14 years), and he waved off on that. I hadn’t flown anything heavy (P-3 was the largest in my background) and so how did I think that would affect my flying? (I think he was looking for the momentum factor which I didn’t state explicitly, but said that you need to think farther ahead on the g/s and on the descent since the jet flies differently than a prop due to spool-up time and he seemed happy with that.)

The general theme with the tech questions just seemed to get a feel for if your knowledge matched what was in the documentation and had you actually put some prep into the interview.

They then asked if I had any questions, which I did. Before I asked my I asked those five or six questions I had come in with that were important to me, I discussed a minor medical issue that hadn’t come in the course of the other discussions just to be up front and honest with them since it did have an impact on my career early on. I then asked about: DFW as a base (a handful there now and growing); age 55 retirement (yes it will change but who knows when, take the job with the assumption that it won’t); upgrade & captains board; I asked them to confirm that once thru the captains course, then are you always a captain and if you switch airplanes is it just a type conversion? (Yes was the answer I got.) I think that was about it.

The whole interview was just under an hour. Both men were very professional, polite, and cordial. I must say it was a relaxed and non-confrontational situation.

I started studying in earnest for this about 6 weeks out by reading Handling the Big Jets, then near constant review of Ace the … Interview, Aero for Naval Aviators, the AIM and the ATP Oral Exam Study Guide. I reviewed HR questions from multiple sources (PPrune, FlightInfo, etc.), studied the State Department’s web site on HK, Hong Kong’s web site, Cathay’s web site, etc., etc. During logistic runs, I had the other pilots randomly review interview questions with me. I did two workshops with Emerald Coast, one phone prep with them, and a video prep locally. Finally, I abused my long-term friend who I stayed with by having her grill me most of the day before the interview. My friend has worked in HR for a major tech company and told me that I had done at least 5 times the amount of prep she had ever seen any one else do and despite all that, I still felt I could have done more.

It paid off though because I found out about two weeks later that I had been asked to come to HK for Part II! So now, it is back to the books for me.

Best of luck to all!
 
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Very informative post. I know it will help many prepare. You did a good job of stressing the average amount of preparation and studying that goes into making it to phase two. I noticed somethin in your post that I run across often while reading posts from US applicants. This is VERY nit-picking, but could be the kiss of death when submitting your paperwork. The company is called CATHAY Pacific. Cathay is the name that was used for China in the days when Marco Polo travelled there. For some reason it is often spelled Cathy. Just be careful, because a spell checker would not catch this. Congratulations, if you have any questions about Phase Two in Cathay City, feel free to ask. I start in October.

Congratulations,

BBB
:beer:
 
:eek: Good catch BBB. I wrote my notes in Word and read them about 15 times before posting. I found the one error, now I have to go correct the other 3 posts!

Excellent point though; I had originally wrote my thank you notes late the day after I got back home. When I looked at the address I realized I had put Cathay Pacific Airlines! I promptly wasted the envelopes and stamps and printed new ones with the correct name:
Cathay Pacific Airways.

Congrats to you, I may PM you as I get closer.

Bigbeerbelly said:
Very informative post. I know it will help many prepare. You did a good job of stressing the average amount of preparation and studying that goes into making it to phase two. I noticed somethin in your post that I run across often while reading posts from US applicants. This is VERY nit-picking, but could be the kiss of death when submitting your paperwork. The company is called CATHAY Pacific. Cathay is the name that was used for China in the days when Marco Polo travelled there. For some reason it is often spelled Cathy. Just be careful, because a spell checker would not catch this. Congratulations, if you have any questions about Phase Two in Cathay City, feel free to ask. I start in October.

Congratulations,

BBB
:beer:
 
Great post VVJM265 and congratulations again! Pretty much exactly like my interview 2 years ago!
 
Is there an age cut-off for hire? One of the Pac rim companies has a mid/upper 30's age cut-off for hire, but I can't remember which one.
 
Frozen Ronin said:
Is there an age cut-off for hire? One of the Pac rim companies has a mid/upper 30's age cut-off for hire, but I can't remember which one.

I think that it is 46 right now.
 
Cathay Interview!

Hey thank you to all for the very informative posts regarding the information on the CK interview! I have an interview coming up next month and am in a pickle. I am going to get furloughed in about 3-4 months. I have a possible job lined up (to protect a paycheck and not lose the room over my head) in the meanwhile, which I may have to sign a training bond for. I am very interested in CK, but must do this since right now it is a guarantee.

what i am wondering is what is the time line from interview to hire? is there just 2 interviews when is the sim ride and if you pass all, then how far out are the class dates? can you postpone a class date for a bit? how would they view this?

thank you all for your help with this, because it is a kind of awkward situation, but nonetheless i want to go to cathay pacific!
 
B737Dvr said:
Hey thank you to all for the very informative posts regarding the information on the CK interview! I have an interview coming up next month and am in a pickle. I am going to get furloughed in about 3-4 months. I have a possible job lined up (to protect a paycheck and not lose the room over my head) in the meanwhile, which I may have to sign a training bond for. I am very interested in CK, but must do this since right now it is a guarantee.

what i am wondering is what is the time line from interview to hire? is there just 2 interviews when is the sim ride and if you pass all, then how far out are the class dates? can you postpone a class date for a bit? how would they view this?

thank you all for your help with this, because it is a kind of awkward situation, but nonetheless i want to go to cathay pacific!

B737Dvr,
The timeline is usually after you pass your first interview, six weeks later you will go to HKG for the second interview. The second involves the sim and a lot lot more. After you are informed that you were successful at phase two, you can expect a class date about six months later. I was also in a training bond, probably much higher than yours ($48,000), that was prorated over two years. I was told during phase 1 interview that delaying class was possible, but not for two years. It is a life long dream come true to work for Cathay for me, so I scrapped some money together and paid it off. Delaying a class is delaying an opportunity to upgrade and just a month or two as captain would pay the whole thing off anyway. However you go, Cathay requires a good recommendation from your former employer. So I wouldn't run away from your contract.

Good luck with your decision.
BBB
 
good info BBB

Yes, this is my dilemma. When i go to interview, i guess i am going to have to tell them about my new job and the training bond, will they look negatively upon this? My training bond will only be for 1 year and it will be for 20K, so now im thinking that since my first interview is in mid sept, then i would most likely go to HKG around november ish....(if i pass the 1st, and btw, do they buy you a tix to go there or is it on your own dime?) then if that is the case i should probably get a class date based on your timeline in june of next year which is not bad at all! how long do they take before they call you and let you know you were successful in the 1st and then after the 2nd?
speaking of which what was the 2nd interview process like?
thanks in advance for your help BBBB!
 
Negatively? I think they would look quite favorably on your situation depending how you approach the situation. You are staying current which CX requires and you are willing to pay off your bond just to be a part of Cathay. What's negative about it. They will ask you if you feel morally obligated to stay longer with your new employer, etc. Think how you would answer.

1st interview is on your own dime second interview is on them, includes per diem at phase 2. A week after the first interview you call them to get your results. Second interview is the same deal. Class date, they will contact you. Everything that you go through at the first and second interview is well documented here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=153728

Are you sure you have a Cathay interview because you posted earlier CK which is a 737 operator in China? CX is Cathay, no 737s only heavies.

BBB
 
Yes Cathay!

BBB, yes I am positive that I have an Interview with Cathay Pacific Airways! Isnt their 2 letter ID (CK)?
yes, this interim job isnt set in stone yet, but if it does go there it will be this month....the only reason i am doing this is to protect a paycheck, while the CK process takes time.
Good point about showing them your commitment by paying off a training bond, but I just wonder if they would feel that i couldnt honor theirs....but ultimately i think it just depends on how the overall interview is going....

How involved is the process (phase 2 in HKG)? how many day trip is it realistically? is it a one day deal or several day deal on top of your travel days.

Another question I have is how is commuting accomplished in the US? I live in the NYC area and if i dont get it and get ANC or LAX instead, will i have to move there or can i commute?

Thank again man for taking some time to help me out with my questions....i really appreciate it!

Im curious, for you, what is the best part of CK and what is the worst part of it?

Baby Boeing dvr
 
Pprune......

Ok, I just got done with Pprune and damn! generally speaking pprune just reaks of all sorts of negativity! I have been on other boards as well and overall that place, no matter what company is being discussed, is just full of &^%$#@!!! there are some tidbits of good objective info, but you need a flak jacket, before going in there! Sounds like some guys got burned, sounds like some guys havent fit in (and are disgruntled) and whatever......so...

questions bbb:

1. what is the deal with the training and or checking dept? are they really old school and you better just shut up and be a good "boy"? is it always check check and how are the examiners and training pilots there?
2. how are the captains that you fly with generally speaking? are there any "skygods" there? are there issues with DEFO's? what is the mentality at cathay city? are you always "on duty" there, or is it a relaxed atmosphere?

basically, can you explain as best as you can what the guys in pprune were talking about and if they are the minority there or a growing faction?

3. what is the deal with the 49 pilots?

thanks man!
 
B737Dvr said:
BBB, yes I am positive that I have an Interview with Cathay Pacific Airways! Isnt their 2 letter ID (CK)?
yes, this interim job isnt set in stone yet, but if it does go there it will be this month....the only reason i am doing this is to protect a paycheck, while the CK process takes time.
Good point about showing them your commitment by paying off a training bond, but I just wonder if they would feel that i couldnt honor theirs....but ultimately i think it just depends on how the overall interview is going....

How involved is the process (phase 2 in HKG)? how many day trip is it realistically? is it a one day deal or several day deal on top of your travel days.

Another question I have is how is commuting accomplished in the US? I live in the NYC area and if i dont get it and get ANC or LAX instead, will i have to move there or can i commute?

Thank again man for taking some time to help me out with my questions....i really appreciate it!

Im curious, for you, what is the best part of CK and what is the worst part of it?

Baby Boeing dvr


Cathay Pacific's 2-letter IATA identifier is CX.
 
I know it says they only require 1000TT to get on as a SO, but what kind of times do the SOs usually have when they get picked up???
 
FYI for anyone that has a Cathay interview - I have seen interview prep books relating to Cathay on Ebay for way cheaper than I had to pay for them.
 
B737dvr


1. Some people in the training department are very old school. Think old time British flyer type stuff. Very picky, but lots of beer. There are 2 sim checkrides and a line check every year as well as some training sims. BE PREPARED!

2. Captains are all outstanding, better then I could have hoped. A bad apple is rare, maybe one in 50 flights. (I'm a bad apple on 1 in 50 flights.:beer:)

What do you mean issues with DEFO's? I'm a DEFO and have no issues with anybody. If someone has an issue with me I don't know about it. What can happen is SO's with alot of A/C time can be very guarded. They are always on the lookout for someone with more rank, but less time to jump there sh!t, which unfortunatly can happen. I don't fly with SO's much so really don't have much to contribute.

Cathay city during the day is like any office building, be ready to run into senior check captains, chief pilots, all the VP's, and the CEO himeself. Just today I rode up the elevator with the #3 man in the company.
During the night it's time to booze up at the bar. You will see the same people there as well, but there is a definate off the clock feeling.

3. The 49 er's is a very long complex story that continues to this day. It's pretty hard to sumerize it, but things have improved many fold between management and the workers since then, mine and others opinion.

I love it here, the comapny has always had my back personally and has given me many reasons to think this was the BEST choice for me.

Hope this helps, and it is CX! Don't get this wrong.
 
CX...got it!

Hey Bjammin, thanks a million for your insight! If a person has to subscribe to a higher standard during business hours, then that is a challenge to look forward to, and if after hours you can relax.....then that is a good balance!
well, i have done alot more reading since my last post and am up to snuff (as much as i can be) on the 49'ers, and other company stuff!
just got my interview requirements to bring to the 1st one in NYC in sept, so i will be preparing like crazy till then!

thank you again, and i will post my experiences so that others may be helped as well.

regards
B737Dvr
 
I may have missed it earlier....but could someone explain the "49ers" for me?....apologies if it has been covered
 
That is way old when there were many problems and a hiring ban.

Be VERY careful of prople posting that kind of stuff. It may give you a little insight into something that was a major issue 5 years ago, but it has truly fizzeled out. I just spoke to a 49'er 2 days ago and he was hired back as an FO for 6 months and is now being given back his command on the 744. He has nothing bad to say about the company now.

Please don't think the 49'er issue will effect new-hires in any way but positive.
 
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I was just going to post the same thing as Bjammin... This is a very old link straight from the unions website. It should answer your question about what "the 49ers" are, but don't let it cloud your judgement. Cathay is a great place to be.

BBB

Bjammin said:
That is way old when there were many problems and a hiring ban.

Be VERY careful of prople posting that kind of stuff. It may give you a little insight into something that was a major issue 5 years ago, but it has truly fizzeled out. I just spoke to a 49'er 2 days ago and he was hired back as an FO for 6 months and is now being given back his command on the 744. He has nothing bad to say about the company now.

Please don't think the 49'er issue will effect new-hires in any way but positive.
 
Does Cathay require a 4 year degree? Is getting ANC as a base difficult? Also, due they require a ATP for FO or SO positions? Do SO's every get any takeoff's or landings?
 
ILStoMinimums said:
Does Cathay require a 4 year degree? Is getting ANC as a base difficult? Also, due they require a ATP for FO or SO positions? Do SO's every get any takeoff's or landings?

No,No,Yes,No
 
I dont know what the percentage or stats on that answer is, however RJs and EMB-120 is all I have flown for 10 years and I just got hired.
 

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