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I PMd Dakota, hope he's satisfied.

A few questions remain.

1. Why do you put up with 20 day rotations for around 65 hrs of operating? Am I missing something? Your August bid packet took awhile to decipher, but I'm sure I'll get better with practice. It doesn't seem very efficient.

2. The Mil leave verbage is illegal. Slinky was kind enough to point us to the text. Is this how it realy works or are your Mil guys able to get off the time you need without question?

3. SAI's maitenance reputation is poor. Do you agree or disagree? Why? How many MCOs do carry on the books generally?

These two things are No-Go items for me. The second one I can fix, but I'ld rather hear from SAI pilots before goig down the FederaLegal road. But #1, what's up?

We are hoping that with the 3 new hire classes coming on the line soon we will start to get a break with the 20 day rotations. When I hired on I was told that they were working on about 15 days out with 5 days of home reserve. Lets hope with proper staffing that will be a reality You are correct about the poor utilization of crews though. I recently spent exactly 20 days out and only blocked 43 hours. That sucks and needs to change. Just as Cargo 360 was working on getting better, so is SAI. It will take time to make these changes. Lets hope for the best.
 
Any new news

What happened with the meetings in ANC. Any of the SAI and C 360 boys get together at the Polar bar. Inquiry minds want to know.
 
The meetings from what I understand were a meet and greet type deal. I heard the Union reps at SA were really hoping to make SA more like C360. Not a lot of C360 guys attended from what I hear because of the flying schedule.

I also heard from the meetings that the C360 pilots "make a decision date" on whether to take the severance and leave or go over to SA got pushed back till October. I think the original date was in early September. Maybe someone actually there can chime in.
 
We should be getting lots of info on this the end of the week.

Latest rumor is the SAI scheduling dept. is going to be overhauled.

They will be outsourcing scheduling to a company out of Atlanta. I think they plan to do a 10 on/ 5 off schedule.

A note to SAI guys: Don't call up your schedulers and tell them they are out of work. From what I understand they will be kept on.
 
sounds like Cargo360's scheduling team is coming in. This is great news for SA. They are all ex delta guys who average about 30 years of part 121 sceduling experience. They are fair and once the staffing gets up they will improve more on the 10 on 5 off.
 
I don't want 10 on 5 off. 5 days is not enough time at home to recooperate after 10 days out. I would rather see 14 on 14 off. I don't know if I am in the majority though.
 
I don't want 10 on 5 off. 5 days is not enough time at home to recooperate after 10 days out. I would rather see 14 on 14 off. I don't know if I am in the majority though.

That is a very good point, 5 days will fly by before you know it. For longhaul freight, I believe it should equal the number of days on duty ie, 10 on 10 off or 14 & 14. Sometimes it takes a day or two to get your body back to normal after a couple of laps around the globe.
 
Most of us at 360 are 8 on 8 off or 10 on 10 to 12 off. Believe us our schedulers will do you justice, besides it can be as bad as what you have. First the trips will become more efficient and second your life will improve, contractors don't stay around long if they can't justify their existence.
 
Most of us at 360 are 8 on 8 off or 10 on 10 to 12 off. Believe us our schedulers will do you justice, besides it can be as bad as what you have. First the trips will become more efficient and second your life will improve, contractors don't stay around long if they can't justify their existence.



By all means then BRING THEM ON. I would love to fly 90 hours in 14 days then go home. I am sure that most of us here would agree. That would definitely boost morale a bit.
 
I did 80 in 16 (two eight day trips this includes travel days on day one and eight.) I have been home for ten until I go out again.
 
One month I was out for 21 days and logged 105 hours. Other than that most of my rotations are 8 days with 42 hours scheduled in that period.

Since SAI is getting our routes (Unless Korean says otherwise) it shouldn't be hard for lines to be built with similar hours. But I'm betting it will go senior. And all I will do is fly out of Miami with maybe 40 hours in 20 days.
 
I hear you. I also bid MIA. I am sick of RKSI.

One month I was out for 21 days and logged 105 hours. Other than that most of my rotations are 8 days with 42 hours scheduled in that period.

Since SAI is getting our routes (Unless Korean says otherwise) it shouldn't be hard for lines to be built with similar hours. But I'm betting it will go senior. And all I will do is fly out of Miami with maybe 40 hours in 20 days.
 
With my previous company we talked scheduling into letting us stay at the Sherry Frontenac which is out there on the north end of South Beach. Great hotel, what a party that was.
 
No, I just want a hotel that is clean. One that your feet don't turn black from walking on the carpet. One that the air conditioner will cool the room below 78 degrees. One that the tub doesn't back up when you take a shower. I am not the minority. I have not spoke to anyone who likes the Homestead. To each its own I guess. :uzi:
 
:crying: I suppose you will then also expect limo service from the hotel to Aero...


Damn. I've stayed in the Homestead and it is a flea bitten sleezy hotel. WTF is your problem? Drinking the koolaid? Getting a kickback? Why the attack?
 
We don't have any hard routes. It changes at Lan Chiles' wim. We mostly go to Bogota, San Jose, Guatemala, Manaus, Guyaquil, Rio Negro, and Quito.
 
We don't have any hard routes. It changes at Lan Chiles' wim. We mostly go to Bogota, San Jose, Guatemala, Manaus, Guyaquil, Rio Negro, and Quito.

A couple weeks ago I saw one of your 743s in MIA. How many of those do you have, where do they usually go, and do you prefer it over the 742?

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
A couple weeks ago I saw one of your 743s in MIA. How many of those do you have, where do they usually go, and do you prefer it over the 742?

Bye Bye--General Lee

I think we have 3 or 4 743s. They go everywhere. Where ever the customer wants world wide. And yes I like the 743 a lot better. It has a much more roomy upper deck. Other then that the plane is identical to the 742.
 
I had heard that one of SAI's acft was EFIS equipped...T or F?

Do you still have the one with the carousel? Or is it finally upgraded?

All three C360's planes are Litton72RLS, ACARS, P&W R models.

I know all your acft are GE powered. Just to say something positive about those P&W's, the "R" model is powerful as all get up. Having flown the GE powered 742 & 743, I still prefer the GE over P&W R's, but damn those "R" models can gitty-up. Just got to memorize the aborted start chklst since they will and I mean will give you a hot start on occasion.

The biggest bonus with C360's acft is they were all built in 88. So you have relatively low time acft but more importantly, they are well kept so you will find them nice, tight acft to fly.
 
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Dutch, to answer your question, we do have several aircraft with FMS, EHSI, and EADI. We have some with Litton 92, and I believe one with the old Delco INS. Not sure abot the Carousel question. I have been here a year and have not flown the entire fleet yet. We have no ACARS, but most have SAT phones. I have never flown the prats but have heard good and bad about them. Some love them, some hate them. Not sure why though. If you come to SAI I hope you like little orange stickers. It seems lately we have been carrying a few. I hope that changes.


I had heard that one of SAI's acft was EFIS equipped...T or F?

Do you still have the one with the carousel? Or is it finally upgraded?

All three C360's planes are Litton72RLS, ACARS, P&W R models.

I know all your acft are GE powered. Just to say something positive about those P&W's, the "R" model is powerful as all get up. Having flown the GE powered 742 & 743, I still prefer the GE over P&W R's, but damn those "R" models can gitty-up. Just got to memorize the aborted start chklst since they will and I mean will give you a hot start on occasion.

The biggest bonus with C360's acft is they were all built in 88. So you have relatively low time acft but more importantly, they are well kept so you will find them nice, tight acft to fly.
 

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