Cargo 360 just bought Southern Air

[lear24]

PS nobody has answered my question on the grievance process at SAI and how you will handle a owner that may drag its feet. Previous company was $10000 in cost to the union when the company took a grievance all the way to arbitration, can SAI in house union afford ten or more of those a year? I had five myself in six years thats $50000 in cost to the union for the company drag its feet.

I agree the KA TA does not "bring it in line" with SA, it finally brings the hourly rates in line, but hourly rates aren't the whole story. Sounds like if a SA pilot gets stuck out past his 20, he can't get those days off replaced, but maybe I'm wrong.

I too have a question about the grievance process at SA, namely, is there one? Is there definite grievance hearing and arbitration language in that contract? I was under the impression there was not. Without it, there is absolutely no accountability to force the company to abide by the contract. On that vein, is there any scope or merger language?

 

[pilotbrain]

My questions are if OAK Hill purchased SAI then why is the SAI management staying in charge, and why are head quarters moving to Norwalk.

 

[pilotbrain]

Might sound a bit ignorant here, but what exactly did Neff do with SAT?

He got pissed off at GE capital filed bankruptcy, closed the doors of SAT. 6 months later SAI was born new pilot group (except a few guys that waited around.) I have heard it out of his own mouth that if SAI pilot unionized that he would just close the doors.

 

[unwashed]

My questions are if OAK Hill purchased SAI then why is the SAI management staying in charge, and why are head quarters moving to Norwalk.

we don't know.

 

[StripAlert]

My questions are if OAK Hill purchased SAI then why is the SAI management staying in charge, and why are head quarters moving to Norwalk.

Oak Hill isn't Cargo 360. They own it. They're buying SAI and merging the two and SAI is surviving. So the HQ isn't moving, it's staying in place at Southern's present HQ.

There are some theories floating around as to why Oak Hill chose SAI as the surviving entity over Cargo 360, but an obvious one would be that they're 3 times our size.

 

[StripAlert]

He got pissed off at GE capital filed bankruptcy, closed the doors of SAT. 6 months later SAI was born new pilot group (except a few guys that waited around.) I have heard it out of his own mouth that if SAI pilot unionized that he would just close the doors.

Of course, it's moot now, because Oak Hill won't allow it. (And 90% of the C360 guys would call the bluff if he did try it.)

 

[halfbank]

You can keep all your days off if you want. You just have to tell them those are your days off and you will not be at work... Done it before and it works. If they say too bad, I say too bad for Southern too, my resignation is in your inbox... Why put up with this crap when everyone is hiring! Southern will soon realize this too...

 

[pilotbrain]

Oak Hill isn't Cargo 360. They own it. They're buying SAI and merging the two and SAI is surviving. So the HQ isn't moving, it's staying in place at Southern's present HQ.

There are some theories floating around as to why Oak Hill chose SAI as the surviving entity over Cargo 360, but an obvious one would be that they're 3 times our size.

I need clarification on this statement, are you saying that oak hill is bailing out SAI. My understanding is that cargo 360 is the airline in trouble and is the one that need to be bailed out.

FYI I worked for SAT and now I work for 360 so i know how Neff Works.

 

[pilotbrain]

I need clarification on this statement, are you saying that oak hill is bailing out SAI. My understanding is that cargo 360 is the airline in trouble and is the one that need to be bailed out.

FYI I worked for SAT and now I work for 360 so i know how Neff Works.

And I hope im wrong!

 

[unwashed]

If Cargo 360 was in trouble then Oakhill is in trouble now all of us at SAT and Cargo 360 are in trouble. Cargo 360 had paid off all their startup cost very quickly after we began operations. We almost did not get through our proving runs, but made it and have been making money ever since. I think we operate our three aircraft over 1400 hours per month on a five year deal with KAL. It would be really hard not to make money with that kind of tempo. I have never heard the we where in any kind of trouble and you know how airlines are with rumors.