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[nosehair]

What's all this whining about a Commercial Airline Pilot Training program?
I think it is a good thing for all. Or it could be. I don't actually know what it is, but if it is a program that trains people off the street (no time) to become Airline First Officers, then it is a good thing. That is the way the military does it, and the way a lot of foriegn air carriers do it.

The main reason why it would be great if all U.S. Air Carriers trained their own pilots from the ground up is, that would stop (or slow) this crazy system of Flight Instructors using primary students to "build time" to get to the airlines. That is why the flight instructing business is the bottom of the barrel - there are too many "time builders" doing it for nothing.

And flying airline size airplanes is so different than small airplane general aviation flying that the two types of training don't mix.

Let the airline people get trained in specific types with specific crew duties and leave us single pilot airplane pilots to do our own kind of training.

The FAA should issue specific copilot certificates limited to airplane types and leave it at that.

 

[mayday1]

and if the airlines would hire zero time applicants and train them to be first officers on the company's nickel, I agree, that would be great.

In the CAPT program, costs can soar above $80k for this training. Training, that many will argue is not applicable -- e.g. a DC-9 type rating. Where does 200-300hrs and a DC-9 type rating get you?

I think the message to prospective candidates is to be wary of this program, and gather as much info as possible. I think (not sure) that CAPT has been in existence for almost 2 years, and has only a handful of "success" stories. That's just good info for people to know.

 

[urflyingme?!]

The CAPT program is a total joke.

 

[DKM]

for more info on why CAPT does not = good go to

www.captiscrap.com

 

[Cardenal]

Actually looks like an interesting program. Two very different worlds in the industry like what they see: ASA (a traditional and established carrier) and Focus (a 747 cargo start up).

I am forever amazed as to how many in this field are both resentful and envious (a wonderful combo ain't it?) of the good fortune and/or good choices of others. Relax, for cryin' out loud. If it goes well, it goes well, and if it doesn't what do you care?

 

[minitour]

Where does 200-300hrs and a DC-9 type rating get you?

The ultimate Flight Simmer?

-mini

 

[urflyingme?!]

I will clarify my earlier statement.
It is not financially viable to graduate from ERAU and THEN go to CAPT just for a 19,000 a year job, which is a maybe!
I have nothing against Ab Initio style training. It's just that I don't believe in this particular program....

 

[Flechas]

I think CAPT is a bunch of BS. They send 4 people in a plane and tell the backseaters that they can log the time because they are doing the radios. This means the one that's driving doesn't do the radios. They are not flynng a jet, please teach them to do two things at the same time.

 

[User546]

They send 4 people in a plane and tell the backseaters that they can log the time because they are doing the radios.

That's a long reach to press the PTT switch!

 

[labbats]

That's a long reach to press the PTT switch!

As long as they don't say "with you", I'm ok with it.

 

[Kenny]

Just keep in mind when you're looking at captiscrap.com that it's run by a disgruntled ex-student. The only one so far to fail the type ride.

Not saying that the program is good or bad, but he's done a pretty good job of winding everybody up and generally dis-informing the masses.

BTW they don't log anything in their logbooks when they're in the backseat

 

[Flechas]

Just keep in mind when you're looking at captiscrap.com that it's run by a disgruntled ex-student. The only one so far to fail the type ride.

Not saying that the program is good or bad, but he's done a pretty good job of winding everybody up and generally dis-informing the masses.

BTW they don't log anything in their logbooks when they're in the backseat

Yes they do, one of their students showed me his logbook, he even told me Riddle was talking to the FAA to make that a new kind of logbook entry. I dodn't read anything from that website, haven't even seen it. I used to instruct in that area and talked to a bunch of those pilots.

 

[User546]

As long as they don't say "with you", I'm ok with it.

Oh goodness, don't get that mess started again!!

To this day I still think about that thread EVERY SINGLE TIME I hear a pilot check in with Center using the "with you" phrase!

 

[Flechas]

Im with you guys about that!

 

[minitour]

Oh goodness, don't get that mess started again!!

To this day I still think about that thread EVERY SINGLE TIME I hear a pilot check in with Center using the "with you" phrase!

"Cleveland Center, this is cessna 12345 checking in with you (double whammy) at three point five"

ahhhh....what a thread

-mini

 

[Lead Sled]

Oops, wrong thread
'Sled

 

[DKM]

Talk about "misinforming the masses"... Can you prove that kenny?



I think not, your reckless comments have devalued anything else you have to say.



Anyone please tell us what on the captiscrap site is untrue. NOBODY has to date.

 

[nosehair]

OK, while this particular program may be crap - it opens the door, or sets a stage for future development of programs which THE AIRLINES pay for. If this program IS crap, it will be seen and it won't survive (thanks in part to the internet), but the viability of a training program for airline first officers only may be the end result - again, PAID FOR BY THE AIRLINES.

...hmmm, never happen, will it?

 

[flyer172r]

OK, while this particular program may be crap - it opens the door, or sets a stage for future development of programs which THE AIRLINES pay for. If this program IS crap, it will be seen and it won't survive (thanks in part to the internet), but the viability of a training program for airline first officers only may be the end result - again, PAID FOR BY THE AIRLINES.

...hmmm, never happen, will it?

Given the airlines' current financial situation, I won't say it'll never happen but it won't happen for many, many years. The airlines don't even want to pay the training costs they already have, why would they want to take on the additional expense of training all their pilots from scratch?

 

[Kenny]

Talk about "misinforming the masses"... Can you prove that kenny?

I was really hoping that this wouldn't result in a pi$$ing contest, but DKM exactly what is it you want me to prove. It's pretty obvious that the guy behind captiscrap.com has an axe to grind and his own agenda. You don't have to be a genius to work out that a certain amount of "truth stretching" is going to happen. PM me and I'm sure we can have an intelligent exchange of ideas about this, without having to bore everybody else.

I think not, your reckless comments have devalued anything else you have to say.

Jeez, I didn't think what I said would incite mass riots, or civil war. In fact you're the only one to get his panties in a twist.

Anyone please tell us what on the captiscrap site is untrue. NOBODY has to date.

Probably because nobody really cares and we all have a lot better things to do. If these students want to spend $80,000 on a job that won't exist anymore for them than it does for the rest of us then, by all means go ahead

I do think that a lot of us that have been hired over the past 5 years have taken for granted that we didn't have to do PFT. It was pretty rife in the 90's and accepted by a lot as the norm.