Ty,
Do you believe that the holder of a private pilot certificate has sought out some minimum standard, and holds himself or herself only to minimum standards?
To suggest that the holder of a private pilot certificate who seeks a type rating is holding out to a minimum standard is hardly a professional outlook.
A private pilot who seeks specialized, advanced training, to the same standards required of any ATP applicant, and to the same degree and standard required of any line pilot on any given day, is hardly attempting to meet the minimum.
A private pilot may not have the flight experience to obtain an ATP. Or simply may not desire to do so, never having a need for the certificate.
Are you unprofessional because you don't hold a particular rating? Have you sought out and used a multi engine sea rating. It's a great rating to have; more fun than two barrels of monkeys with no clothes on. But would you find it useful? Probably not. So you haven't sought it out. Likewise, a private pilot may see no need to obtain an ATP certificate. I know pilots who have flown 135 or other commercial duties for much of their careers who never obtained an ATP.
I helped a commercial pilot who had been flying commecially for almost twenty years, obtain his instrument rating last year. He will never fly instruments again; he needed the rating to qualify for a fire card, in order to start flying the tanker he owns, on contracts. It was a hoop to jump through, for him. Never the less, he strived very hard, and performed to the same standard as any other instrument student. He studied hard, he flew well, and passed with flying colors. Was he performing to a minimum standard by flying for 20 years without an instrument rating? I spent the first five years of my commercial flying career without one. Didn't hurt me a whole lot either, and you can bet I don't perform to any minimum standards.
Obtaining a type without a commercial certicate does not smack of laziness. Any more than you are lazy for failing to obtain your glider certification or a multi engine sea rating. Do you need it? No. Will it help you? Probably not. Are you going to go get it? Probably not. I don't know the level of your certification, but the same might be said if you haven't obtained your rating for lighter than air, or rotorcraft, too. There's a great deal to be learned from each of those areas; one is missing out on some valueable education by not obtaining the training. But most don't; it's expensive, and if they'll never use it...
Somehow that apparently doesn't apply to the private pilot who has no need for commercial privileges though, does it? The commercial practical test is nothing more than a private pilot checkride, barely glorified. A private pilot may have no use for the certificate.
Certainly pilots should always be looking to expand their knowledge and understanding. Constant study and growth is necessary. I always recommend that pilots seek additional training and certification. Go for a new level of certification, a new rating; get a type, get a category or class rating. Always be striving for something. For years, I tried to add a new rating every year. I wasn't always able to do it, but most of the time, I was. I then branched out into other types of certification; mechanic, flight engineer, etc.
In this case, we're talking about a private pilot who is seeking additional training and certification. He or she isn't seeking a multi sea rating. He or she isn't seeking a commercial certification. He or she is seeking a type rating; aircraft specific. He or she is seeking specific, professional training to ATP standards, in order to be rated in the aircraft; category, class, and type. This isn't seeking any minimum standard. This is simply applying the privileges that are accorded any level of certification. It's showing a mature attitude; one is seeking additional training and experience.
So many pilots sit on their laurels and don't seek additional training. They don't do anything but meet minimum currency, and often not even that. The private pilot that seeks out a chance to visit flight safety or simuflite to obtain the same training any ATP rated pilot will obtain at those facilities, is not seeking any minimum standard.
To answer the other question posed here, if he or she obtains the type on the private certificate, it is automatically transferred to the commercial certificate, and later to the ATP if he or she desires to obtain it. No further checkrides are necesary, as the pilot has already met the ATP standards for that airplane in accomplishing the type ride.
For those that question why the type rating can be transferred to the ATP without further intervention or testing, the answer is right there; the pilot has already demonstrated the ability to meet the practical test standards at the ATP level...no further retesting necessary when one obtains the ATP certificate.
Turning to the radio issue, I don't know anybody that turns on the radio as they're taking the runway, though I'm sure it happens. I frequently make one call taking the runway, and possibly one departing the pattern if I'm using anything other than a straight out departure...and I've been known to make no calls, too.
I've flown a bunch of airplanes with no electrical system and no radio. Shoot, when I was eighteen I began spraying an ag airpalne that had only a CB radio. We used it to talk to each other when working fields, and it worked well. Aircraft radio? We don't need no stinking aircraft radio...
I don't know about the choices I've made in my career being particularly separative. I've been flying the same functions as most others here, in addition to other duties and assignments for quite a while. I fly in the same environment, often the same equipment. I just don't see that a radio separates traffic. Eyeballs do that.
Every time I hear some yahoo call out "any inbound traffic please advise," I want to get on the radio and whisper, "Just us guys with no radios...thanks!"
Didn't hear anybody inbound? They must not exist!
Do you believe that the holder of a private pilot certificate has sought out some minimum standard, and holds himself or herself only to minimum standards?
To suggest that the holder of a private pilot certificate who seeks a type rating is holding out to a minimum standard is hardly a professional outlook.
A private pilot who seeks specialized, advanced training, to the same standards required of any ATP applicant, and to the same degree and standard required of any line pilot on any given day, is hardly attempting to meet the minimum.
A private pilot may not have the flight experience to obtain an ATP. Or simply may not desire to do so, never having a need for the certificate.
Are you unprofessional because you don't hold a particular rating? Have you sought out and used a multi engine sea rating. It's a great rating to have; more fun than two barrels of monkeys with no clothes on. But would you find it useful? Probably not. So you haven't sought it out. Likewise, a private pilot may see no need to obtain an ATP certificate. I know pilots who have flown 135 or other commercial duties for much of their careers who never obtained an ATP.
I helped a commercial pilot who had been flying commecially for almost twenty years, obtain his instrument rating last year. He will never fly instruments again; he needed the rating to qualify for a fire card, in order to start flying the tanker he owns, on contracts. It was a hoop to jump through, for him. Never the less, he strived very hard, and performed to the same standard as any other instrument student. He studied hard, he flew well, and passed with flying colors. Was he performing to a minimum standard by flying for 20 years without an instrument rating? I spent the first five years of my commercial flying career without one. Didn't hurt me a whole lot either, and you can bet I don't perform to any minimum standards.
Obtaining a type without a commercial certicate does not smack of laziness. Any more than you are lazy for failing to obtain your glider certification or a multi engine sea rating. Do you need it? No. Will it help you? Probably not. Are you going to go get it? Probably not. I don't know the level of your certification, but the same might be said if you haven't obtained your rating for lighter than air, or rotorcraft, too. There's a great deal to be learned from each of those areas; one is missing out on some valueable education by not obtaining the training. But most don't; it's expensive, and if they'll never use it...
Somehow that apparently doesn't apply to the private pilot who has no need for commercial privileges though, does it? The commercial practical test is nothing more than a private pilot checkride, barely glorified. A private pilot may have no use for the certificate.
Certainly pilots should always be looking to expand their knowledge and understanding. Constant study and growth is necessary. I always recommend that pilots seek additional training and certification. Go for a new level of certification, a new rating; get a type, get a category or class rating. Always be striving for something. For years, I tried to add a new rating every year. I wasn't always able to do it, but most of the time, I was. I then branched out into other types of certification; mechanic, flight engineer, etc.
In this case, we're talking about a private pilot who is seeking additional training and certification. He or she isn't seeking a multi sea rating. He or she isn't seeking a commercial certification. He or she is seeking a type rating; aircraft specific. He or she is seeking specific, professional training to ATP standards, in order to be rated in the aircraft; category, class, and type. This isn't seeking any minimum standard. This is simply applying the privileges that are accorded any level of certification. It's showing a mature attitude; one is seeking additional training and experience.
So many pilots sit on their laurels and don't seek additional training. They don't do anything but meet minimum currency, and often not even that. The private pilot that seeks out a chance to visit flight safety or simuflite to obtain the same training any ATP rated pilot will obtain at those facilities, is not seeking any minimum standard.
To answer the other question posed here, if he or she obtains the type on the private certificate, it is automatically transferred to the commercial certificate, and later to the ATP if he or she desires to obtain it. No further checkrides are necesary, as the pilot has already met the ATP standards for that airplane in accomplishing the type ride.
For those that question why the type rating can be transferred to the ATP without further intervention or testing, the answer is right there; the pilot has already demonstrated the ability to meet the practical test standards at the ATP level...no further retesting necessary when one obtains the ATP certificate.
Turning to the radio issue, I don't know anybody that turns on the radio as they're taking the runway, though I'm sure it happens. I frequently make one call taking the runway, and possibly one departing the pattern if I'm using anything other than a straight out departure...and I've been known to make no calls, too.
I've flown a bunch of airplanes with no electrical system and no radio. Shoot, when I was eighteen I began spraying an ag airpalne that had only a CB radio. We used it to talk to each other when working fields, and it worked well. Aircraft radio? We don't need no stinking aircraft radio...
I don't know about the choices I've made in my career being particularly separative. I've been flying the same functions as most others here, in addition to other duties and assignments for quite a while. I fly in the same environment, often the same equipment. I just don't see that a radio separates traffic. Eyeballs do that.
Every time I hear some yahoo call out "any inbound traffic please advise," I want to get on the radio and whisper, "Just us guys with no radios...thanks!"
Didn't hear anybody inbound? They must not exist!
