Can someone explain the national seniority list?

[sclark161]

How would it work? If a United guy, or whoever, gets furloughed, would he jump to x airline in seniority order and bump a guy at the bottom of the list out of a job or would he go to the bottom with longevity pay and benefits assuming x airline is hiring. And why would they take a guy at 10 year pay vs. a new hire? Not trying to flame, just looking for some info.
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[Jmoney]

"Paging Mr Merchant! Mr. Joe Merchant!"

-RJDC B.S. Needed, aisle 3!

-Be sure to throw in "fiduciary" about 12 times-you will cound just like that Ford idiot!

 

[sclark161]

Hey thanks man. I'd appreciate it if you could be a little bit more obscure. Of course you could be making perfect sense and I could lay off the sauced posts. Either way, thanks for the witty retort.

 

[PCL_128]

We can't explain something that doesn't (and never will) exist.

 

[Widow's Son]

A national seniority list was tried once amongst the myriad airline entities that loosely comprised the old Aeroflot of the former Soviet Union.

It didn't work there either.

 

[Occam's Razor]

How would it work?

It wouldn't.

If a United guy, or whoever, gets furloughed, would he jump to x airline in seniority order and bump a guy at the bottom of the list out of a job or would he go to the bottom with longevity pay and benefits assuming x airline is hiring.

The concept is called "looping". You get furloughed and you go to another airline at your "national" number. The next "accordian-effect" contraction causes the junior pilots at your new airline to get cut loose...sending them to, conceivably, your original airline.

And why would they take a guy at 10 year pay vs. a new hire?

Because you'd ENTER your new airline at 10-years of seniority...so you'd be flying (and getting paid for) whatever that equates to at that airline.

Not trying to flame, just looking for some info.

Here is a good description of it's feasibility.

 

[michael707767]

the problem with a national seniority list is the union does not control hiring.Say we had a national list and a pilot gets furloughed from UAL. He could then use that seniority wherever he could get hired. But there lies the problem. Why would an airline hire you, and have to pay you based on your years of service while at the same time pissing off their current pilots who have someone drop in on top of them. It would be easier, and cheaper, to hire some kid.

The only way we could get the airlines to buy off on being able to use your "national seniority" would be to accept serious wage cuts.

 

[Soverytired]

It's a nice pie-in-the-sky union non-solution to the problem of having to start at the bottom of every US airline you work for, but it simply will never happen.

Of course, you could just go to a non-US airline and go straight to the captain seat if you're qualified . . . .

(and get paid gobs of money to do it)

 

[Max Powers]

Its designed to help the old folks.

 

[ifly4u]

National seniority is a pipe dream. What we need is national longevity. You would have to offer tax credits or some other incentive for the airlines to hire people with greater longevity but if done right it could work. They passed age 65 to benefit a few how hard would it be to pass legislation that benefits everyone?