Calling times out while taxi @ CJC - IAH

[better up here]

Any thoughts on this. I thought taxiing was a critical phase of flight? There is a 40+ page AC (AC 120-74A) on taxi procedure from the FAA and taxiing has always been on there top ten hit list.

I guess we could call the out time before we release the brake out of the gate, but most all the guys who call on the ground do it while moving on the taxiway. But there is no way to call an on time until parked at the gate. And at an out station, all the ground crew is outside to turn the plane anyway. Who do we talk to then?

I've been caught three different times now reading back instructions while the FO was calling times. Not sure the FAA would be pleased. And out of gate A7 or A8... ramp, clearance, then ground on the way to 9/27... forget it... by the time you get a minute, you are out of range of ops on the lower antenna.

Do I have an argument or am I missing something?

 

[CA1900]

When we did that in CLE, I normally called the out time before we started moving.

It wasn't so much for safety, but because I'm feeble-minded enough that I'd forget about it once we started rolling... :0

 

[Snaab]

I think doing anything outside of essential duties on the ground is asking for trouble. Unless you're at LGA or BOS getting a gate after landing, I think it's a poor idea to divide crewmembers' attention while taxiing. Watch, Colgan will change it back after someone doesn't follow taxi instructions and the FAA calls them out.

 

[flyer172r]

I believe calling times is considered part of your essential duties, therefore it's ok to do it when you're taxiing or in sterile cockpit, etc.

 

[jellynuts]

what a bunch of wusses. if you're not a retard and work for colgan, then you simply do it when you know you're not gonna get a taxi instruction. what does it take, 10 seconds?

 

[johndt]

My understanding is that you are allowed to -call- the times, but are not allowed to record the times until over 10k. There is a specific prohibition against doing paperwork below 10k, but no specific prohibition against the calling of times.

That's the way it was explained to me on IOE at any rate.

 

[better up here]

what a bunch of wusses. if you're not a retard and work for colgan, then you simply do it when you know you're not gonna get a taxi instruction. what does it take, 10 seconds?

it's not a matter of easy, being a wuss, working for cjc, or the fact that i may, in fact, be a retard. it's about what mr. fed will ask me when he catches on.

colgan won't go to bat for me, so i have to cover my own.

 

[suupah]

My understanding is that you are allowed to -call- the times, but are not allowed to record the times until over 10k. There is a specific prohibition against doing paperwork below 10k, but no specific prohibition against the calling of times.

That's the way it was explained to me on IOE at any rate.

If i am not mistaken, calling your times under ten k is about flight following. When or if you call them on the taxi is a judgement call.

 

[V1cutsrfun]

Any thoughts on this. I thought taxiing was a critical phase of flight? There is a 40+ page AC (AC 120-74A) on taxi procedure from the FAA and taxiing has always been on there top ten hit list.

I guess we could call the out time before we release the brake out of the gate, but most all the guys who call on the ground do it while moving on the taxiway. But there is no way to call an on time until parked at the gate. And at an out station, all the ground crew is outside to turn the plane anyway. Who do we talk to then?

I've been caught three different times now reading back instructions while the FO was calling times. Not sure the FAA would be pleased. And out of gate A7 or A8... ramp, clearance, then ground on the way to 9/27... forget it... by the time you get a minute, you are out of range of ops on the lower antenna.

Do I have an argument or am I missing something?

Just a guess....ACARS perhaps?

V1

 

[zasca]

It's called: FO= "I'm off one", CA= "OK"

FO= "I'm back", CA= "OK"

You can't drive and talk at the same time? I would bet this is SOP almost everywhere. And, if you are at an out station, why not just wait to call all the times in the air????????????????????????????

 

[Airscrew]

call 'em when the cabin door closes, the aircraft isn't moving and you might be able to add a minute or two to your credit.

 

[jellynuts]

it's not a matter of easy, being a wuss, working for cjc, or the fact that i may, in fact, be a retard. it's about what mr. fed will ask me when he catches on.

colgan won't go to bat for me, so i have to cover my own.

it's all good, the union will back you up on it.

 

[better up here]

it's all good, the union will back you up on it.

bait smells good, and nice topic switch. but i voted yes.

thanks for your valuable input and intellectual feedback.

 

[better up here]

Just a guess....ACARS perhaps?

V1

and the best thing - most of the chicago express saabs had them (the majority of our iah fleet.) guess they sold them off... who would you sell those things to anyway?

 

[Striptyler]

U can call times above 5000, but below 10,000 when cruise is above 10,000ft... and if cruise is below 10,000 you can call upon reaching cruise altitude.

You are required to call when ground delays are expected to exceed 15 minutes, or gate delays in excess of 10 minutes. There is nothing in the book that says you can not make these calls as a CA. It does specifically say that you may not confirm gates or reservations for pax. though.

If you are doing it in a way that is ok in the FOPP, the faa won't get mad at you... they approved it.

At least at cjc it's this way

 

[Snaab]

U can call times above 5000, but below 10,000 when cruise is above 10,000ft... and if cruise is below 10,000 you can call upon reaching cruise altitude.

You are required to call when ground delays are expected to exceed 15 minutes, or gate delays in excess of 10 minutes. There is nothing in the book that says you can not make these calls as a CA. It does specifically say that you may not confirm gates or reservations for pax. though.

If you are doing it in a way that is ok in the FOPP, the faa won't get mad at you... they approved it.

At least at cjc it's this way

Bingo!

 

[Beech Balls]

Holy crap....you poop-heads are really that concerned about this?
talk and drive, get the job done....who gives a rat's behind.
If you're a captain, it's your ship... run it like it is....

 

[Mr Wu]

Holy crap....you poop-heads are really that concerned about this?
talk and drive, get the job done....who gives a rat's behind.
If you're a captain, it's your ship... run it like it is....

Yes, really. It's not like the guy is on the phone to his dad as he taxies into position.

 

[Kaman]

I think that the key point is that the aircraft cannot be underway while taxiing and making these "admin" type call-outs. Frequently, at out-stations I would call our times before taking the runway, OR (don't tell) write all the times on the release, hand it out the window and call it good. Those were the not-so-long-ago good old days.

 

[av8rjo]

I already have a difficult time communicating to CLL, BPT, and VCT OPS due to the amount of congestion on IAH OPS. Now that our radio traffic is going to double, sounds like handing the out & off times out the window isn't such a bad idea.