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jtslc

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Airlinepilotcentral.com says that the most junior captain at CAL was hired Jan 1998. Is this accurate? Will it take 7 years to make captain at CAL?



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Jan '98 is correct. Will it take 7yrs to make CA? Well sorry I don't have the link to retirements, but with things in flux like they are, it's a fair guess that many are living over the next 3 years.

But of course anything can change, I was hired in '87, and they were telling us 7 years then; "Ha", it took 14.

But as a educated guess, sure 7 to 9 years to Jr Captain is a good bet.
 

GogglesPisano

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Upgrade shmupgrade. I'd be just as happy as a 777 FO. I hear that can be awarded in less than a year!!!!!

Waiting (praying, sacrificing small animals -- but not eating them, I'm a vegetarian) for the call.

Does anyone have any insight as to how many LOR's is enough?
 

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jtslc said:
Airlinepilotcentral.com says that the most junior captain at CAL was hired Jan 1998. Is this accurate? Will it take 7 years to make captain at CAL?



Thanks,
J
interesting font...........is that a Commodore 64?
 

tie1on

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there are approximately 1550 retirements in the next 30 months. so I would expect upgrades to all equipment to move quickly
 

RocketRob

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FWIW I came over in early april so......... total FNG. I am currently holding EWR 777 Fo on the last bid and currenlty getting a conversion line on the 737. (1.5 months on reserve) One of our FO's wrote a program called senority visualizer that analizes (sic) the bid results and senority list and ESTIMATES what you will hold and when... it says I can hold EWR 737 CA in July '08.
 

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Retirements:

2005: 161
2006: 249
2007: 322
2008: 246
2009: 218
2010: 210
2011: 220
2012: 217
2013: 194
2014: 201
2015: 167
2016: 192
2017: 182
2018: 179
2019: 149
2020: 145

This is a bit dated... it doesn't show the recent early retirements that have happened (some as early as 4 to 5 years!). There's been a scare about losing the "lump sum" option at retirement, causing quite a few guys to retire early.

I'm a Feb. 1998 hire - there's a guy that was in my new-hire class holding captain in EWR now...
 

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FWIW folks, don't get too hung up on what it takes to be a captain. There are guys junior to me who are captain here, but would I trade with them? Hell no. Commuting to reserve in NYC, sitting in some shi*ty crash pad and getting stuck with crappy trips? I would worry more about what it takes to be a line holding captain, or at least hold captain anywhere but NYC/EWR.
 

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How does the 1550 retirements in the next 30 months statement equal the retirement tables that I have seen and that are posted all over the web. I think you guys are being a little too optimistic. Things can change, especially if a merger comes down the pipe for us. I wouldn't get my hopes of upgrading before 7 to 8 years and that is if everything keeps going well.
 

michael707767

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Jet727 said:
Things can change, especially if a merger comes down the pipe for us. .

I think thats the big unknown. One merger can double or triple the time to captain.
 

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calfo said:
Retirements:

2005: 161
And this is up to around 260 due to pilots who have submitted paperwork for early retirement. They can always pull their papers, but it is about what is on the books for now.
 

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michael707767 said:
FWIW folks, don't get too hung up on what it takes to be a captain. There are guys junior to me who are captain here, but would I trade with them? Hell no. Commuting to reserve in NYC, sitting in some shi*ty crash pad and getting stuck with crappy trips? I would worry more about what it takes to be a line holding captain, or at least hold captain anywhere but NYC/EWR.
I thought CAL had the upgrade or get out policy? Maybe it was AA. Oh well, lets hear it for the career gear slingers striving for mediocrity.
 

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No up or out here.

There are old guys up in the 3digits range hanging out in the right seat of the triple, living the good life, just a little less pay.
 

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If you are worried about upgrade times at a major while this industry is in the crapper, you need to read the paper more often and do your homework. Just worry about getting hired, then sock away as much money as you can to ride out the next storm. If the company that hires you does well, upgrade will come quicker than you think. If it is struggling, upgrade will be the last thing on your mind. BK and furloughs will be the first.
 

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blzr said:
I thought CAL had the upgrade or get out policy? Maybe it was AA. Oh well, lets hear it for the career gear slingers striving for mediocrity.
What an a$$nine statement. I got the showing off thingo out of my system along time ago in a real airplane, 20 series Lear. Its all about QOL now.
 
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