1) and 2) are optimistic scenarios. Plenty of those guys were just milking the 62 excuse to justify 65 support. They will stay all the way to 65 and some will still complain then. Don't forget about our illustrious Post 60 pre 2006 flight instructors who don't understand why we think it's BS they can fly a line trip.
Those guys didn't need to use 62 as an excuse to gain support for the rule change. A majority was against it, and it was still pushed at the national level. Pathetic in my opinion, but honestly we weren't going to keep that one from happening. The writing on the wall was already there when the Europeans allowed it.1) and 2) are optimistic scenarios. Plenty of those guys were just milking the 62 excuse to justify 65 support. They will stay all the way to 65 and some will still complain then. Don't forget about our illustrious Post 60 pre 2006 flight instructors who don't understand why we think it's BS they can fly a line trip.
As for 3) you would think, but since Larry put all his eggs in the 787 basket that's not a guarantee either. It all comes down to the biz plan for '10 which has been finalized yet. Europe is going to be weaker for longer then the US, so I worry that we might pull out/slash frequencies over the next year. And I don't doubt for a second that they will hesitate to park more 737-500's now that they think the Q400 is an adequate replacement.:erm:
Of course if the union would just hurry up and sign off scope for the Star Alliance JV flying I'm sure the company would recall everyone. So it's the idiots union's fault for the furloughs...
The bottom line for that type, they have no life outside of flying Boeings for CAL. Sorry but that's about every level of pathetic you can achieve in life. It will be interesting in the years ahead interest rates creep up to see if these guys start to see a life beyond jets.
I buy it. There really is no one factor suggesting any recovery is near. All the airlines do anymore is cut capacity, merge and downsize fleets, furlough and over work remaining crews. No attrition to retirement, as legacy carriers farm out more flying. The younger pilot group sees growth at their regionals but with no movement above hence no replacement of legacy senior pilots. The future will hold far less pilots period, as we bring in larger fleet types of the 70-120 seat range and reduce frequency and overlap with mergers. The ball is dark and murky. The best we can hope for is a total system revamp comprised of EMB-190 and CRJ-1000 type fleets with positions that pay $80,000 after 15 years of service.
Yeah I don't know about the rate change dates, etc. and I hope that some of these factors do have an effect. But I'm pretty sure that they still have to give 6 months notice to keep their bridge medical.
i am still not working. i have had what i thought was a pretty good shot at a couple of flying jobs, but nothing has come through. regarding the notice, i was told that the rate gets locked in based on when the paperwork gets put it, not when the actual retirement happens. so, guys could throw it in end of October, and still give their 6 month notice. i wouldn't bet my life on that fact to be true, but that was what i was told. i haven't heard from any furloughees that got flying jobs. most from my class were reserve guys, so they are flying there.
Wow, doom and gloom at its best. I agree, the industry is seeing the worst economy since the great depression, as are all of the other industries that are affected by economic cycles. Sure the airlines cut capacity when there is too much in the system.
