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Captain X

Captain X

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A furloughed buddy of mine said another guy told him a friend at a regional, who interviewed before the furlough, recently got an email from CAL Pilot Recruiting inquiring about continued interest in employment and if so to plan on being in class by the end of 2009. (I apologize for the atrocious sentence there)

Couple of things...

First, I didn't know CAL actually had a "pool." Any body on FI in it that can substantiate?

Second, can anybody validate this rumor or emails going out to said poolies?

I know it jives with some other rumors but if this is true then it lends some validity to such things and would be great news for our 147.
 
recalls?

On whether more layoffs, flight reductions or cost-cutting are ahead: “As painful as it is, we have got to make sure we keep our staffing in line with the flying we are doing. We have got to keep those in synch. We are going to continue to evaluate as we look at the fall (after the summer travel season), where we need to go.”
 
Captain X said:
A furloughed buddy of mine said another guy told him a friend at a regional, who interviewed before the furlough, recently got an email from CAL Pilot Recruiting inquiring about continued interest in employment and if so to plan on being in class by the end of 2009. (I apologize for the atrocious sentence there)

Couple of things...

First, I didn't know CAL actually had a "pool." Any body on FI in it that can substantiate?

Second, can anybody validate this rumor or emails going out to said poolies?

I know it jives with some other rumors but if this is true then it lends some validity to such things and would be great news for our 147.
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That letter did go out, that is not a rumor. However, it went out a couple of months ago. I think the plan changes daily, but I am still hoping to get back sooner than later. Deliveries for 2010 - 17 airplanes, including two 777's, don't they staff those at 40 pilots per airplane?
 
xcrjdriver said:
On whether more layoffs, flight reductions or cost-cutting are ahead: “As painful as it is, we have got to make sure we keep our staffing in line with the flying we are doing. We have got to keep those in synch. We are going to continue to evaluate as we look at the fall (after the summer travel season), where we need to go.”
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That whole article was a joke, most of which was totally contrary to what was said at the JP Morgan (or whatever other bank) conference. The games are just beginning, and I am sure there will be more. Of course things are bad out there, but what is CAL going to do, park more airplanes because they can't sell enough first class seats??? I don't think so. They are going to take it in the shorts until the economy gets better, and they aren't going to be nearly as profitable for fiscal 09.
 
2009 net loss of aircraft. No recall for summer flying. Can't imagine they will need to up the staffing for winter flying. Unless the retiring starts up can't see it happening.
 
There will be no recalls this year. There will be no hiring this year. CAL does not have a "pool." There are plenty of rumors but there is nothing that would indicate any growth in 09. No growth means no recalls and no hiring. 2010 may be very different but I suspect thing will continue at present for some time.
 
Captain X said:
A furloughed buddy of mine said another guy told him a friend at a regional, who interviewed before the furlough, recently got an email from CAL Pilot Recruiting inquiring about continued interest in employment and if so to plan on being in class by the end of 2009. (I apologize for the atrocious sentence there)
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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
BN2A said:
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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Awesome! Thanks for the laugh! :-)

My guess mid to late 2010 for hiring.... unless a UAL merger happens ( which I am NOT hoping for-- its just a possibility ) , then it will be closer to 2020.
 
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BN2A said:
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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I knew the girl talking to Ferris on the school phone. Small bit part in the movie. Kristin Graziano was her name.
 
ATRCA said:
There will be no recalls this year. There will be no hiring this year. CAL does not have a "pool." There are plenty of rumors but there is nothing that would indicate any growth in 09. No growth means no recalls and no hiring. 2010 may be very different but I suspect thing will continue at present for some time.
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Who knows when the hiring will start again, but CAL absolutely does have a pool, and they were sent letters, I think back in December. I am sure whatever plans they had back then have been thrown in the garbage, but the whole point of this post was to prove or disprove whether those letters were real. They were, I have seen the content of the letter, and I have also spoken to the union about them. Those letter mean absolutely nothing now. There are a lot of rumors about guys jumping ship in the fall, but rumors are rumors.
 
Been hearing that a lot of Captains will be bailing this fall....guessing A fund issues.
 
they would be smart to, although not as smart as the guys that already left. with interest rates at a low not seen in years and years, their lump sum payments will be a lot higher. that would be the only way they would start recalls in the fall.
 
bizicmo said:
2009 net loss of aircraft. No recall for summer flying. Can't imagine they will need to up the staffing for winter flying. Unless the retiring starts up can't see it happening.
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Ok rumor control.

As the Chairman of LEC 170 and the Captain Representative for Continental in Newark, I can say the following:

To the best of my knowledge letters were mailed a few months ago to some 40 or so pilots placed in a hiring pool when we stopped hiring last time. They were told to expect fall class dates.

As of today it is still my personal opinion based on all the information I know that I still believe our furloughed pilots will be recalled in the late Summer early Fall time frame with some new hires to follow.

Fraternally,

Jayson Baron
CAL 170 Chairman
CAL EWR CA Representative
[email protected]
 
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Good news

Hey Jayson,

Good to hear that. We need those guys back. I can't figure out why they would be brought back after summer though. Seems like before summer would be more logical.

On a different note, I flew with a Captain last week that had nothing but bad to say. Said that we could have a TA in 15 minutes if we would just extend POS 02! Made me sick! Keep up the good work! We are counting on you to stand tall and not be turned into a management sympathizer(which I know would never happen).
 
twad said:
On a different note, I flew with a Captain last week that had nothing but bad to say. Said that we could have a TA in 15 minutes if we would just extend POS 02!
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Of course we would have a ta in 15mins if we agreed to continue under this current...WTF?!! What was his point? Was the guy that brain dead? Each day that goes by the more concessionary this contract is.
 
Last December I had AJ not once, but twice on the jump seat in a week! Going out on a Monday and then back again on a Friday~ My luck... lol

As it turns out, on the first flight we chatted and turns out we were in the same guard unit, at the same time. Him a pilot, me a crew chief.. but we flew a mission together.
Anyhooters-
He commented that we could have avoided the furloughs if the union had agreed to the JrV LOA.. I countered with the fact that the LOA had ALOT of holes in it~ And we both agreed to not chat about it. Good call.
But he did mention that while we wanted to get those triple 7's that China Southern had, they wanted to much $ and there were serious issues with the paper trail on those aircraft. We all agreed that we needed more widebodies.

Here it comes...
He mentioned that we would probably be seeing an INCREASE in flying the next fall! And that it would also coincide with the deliveries of the 757-3's.

Therefor, in my opinion.. I would expect our guys (and gals) back by the fall, if not a few months sooner. Would have loved to have them back by now, or at least for the summer.. but I think this is just a game the company is playing...

I have also heard that the training department was planning a busy schedule for the fall. Put 2 and 2 together and you get 4.. unless of course you went to Airline Management School... lol

Hang in there people~
Always
motch
 
motch said:
He commented that we could have avoided the furloughs if the union had agreed to the JrV LOA.. I c
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So if we agree to allow other airlines fly our routes for us we can avoid staffing reductions? I love the mgmt logic.

PRS
 
Managements greatest fear is an educated pilot.
Sure, we can all fly planes and are a fairly educated bunch to begin with.. but the problem is, for the most part- we love what we do~
This sometimes clouds our other common senses and our ability to look long term.

Right now, (IMO) CAL Management is probably worried because we now have leadership in EWR that is EDUCATING and COMMUNICATING to its pilot group! JTK rock!

When I first heard about the JrV LOA, I was pretty excited. Once I actually saw the paperwork and all the loopholes, my excitement turned to sadness and disgust. But our union stopped the process in its tracks thereby actually saving CAL pilot jobs.

There is no doubt in my mind that had we signed this agreement, we would have seen the eventual loss of some of our flying to not only UAL, but any other carriers that might join the (Death) Star Alliance...

Stay informed, have an open mind and remember, Management has the job to get us to work for the minimum while reaping the profits from our stupidity!

Always
Motch
 
I'm furloughed and I'd rather be on the street than have that LOA hanging over our head. There was just no way we could allow that.
 
motch said:
.. but the problem is, for the most part- we love what we do~

Motch
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There is a cure for this problem Motch...it's called fly under POS '02!

BTW Rolling days off in IAH today - WEDNESDAY!!! Even the schedulers say they are dreading this summer.
 
CAL EWR B737 said:
As of today it is still my personal opinion based on all the information I know that I still believe our furloughed pilots will be recalled in the late Summer early Fall time frame with some new hires to follow.
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I hope you guys hire soon as I have a good buddy who is in the bottom 10 over there who is about to buy a house and could use a few more pilots behind him.

However, yesterday Continental (the only airline that reports monthly RASM performance estimates with their load factor reports) reported systemwide March RASM to be down about 20% and Cargo revenues to be about 21% compared with March 2008. Considering the amount of capacity Continental has already pulled down, those numbers seem pretty bad, and the economy is still shedding 700,000 private sector jobs a month. Delta has already announced due to the weak international market, they will be reducing international ASM another 10-12% after Labor Day. Do you think that Continental will not be affected as much as Delta?
 

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