Cal mec response to ual mec

[mamba20]

Work the damn thing out already. I am tired of working for the worst pay and work rules in the industry. Stop saving the POS gummers and let the younger generation have a chance!

You over 60 wind bags have had enough! Stop taking off the backs of junior pilots and send your old asses to Florida to retire where you belong! Go turn on the heat in the middle of summer (instead of bumping the packs to 90 deg while you wear a sweater) and telling junior guys that it builds character to be junior. GET THE ******************** OUT!!! You got a gift with age 65 and now you are abusing it. GO die already! Its time to let people who can get out of the seat without a walker take control. I don;t give a ******************** about your retirement. You knew you had to retire at age 60! You should have planned better. Piss on you and ********************ing leave!

 

[UALRATT]

Unfortunately, the post-bankruptcy UAL is what was brought to the table for the merger- that's reality. You can't retroactively change things to bolster your case, that's what is being attempted here. I don't blame them for trying but it will not fly. Ever.

And as the TA clearly points out, sooner rather than later you'll be back to negotiating your own CBA much like UAL, and all that leverage will go up in smoke, and so would be your lunacy.

Welcome to JCBA II! Until then you can hold your own CAL pilots hostage to your own substandard contract.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

CAL pilots dig substandard contracts and weak d!ck union reps. Its been the norm for 27 years.

CAL SUCKS!

 

[Chairman]

So here we go then if CAL wants banded pay!

744 stand alone

777 767 757

A320

737....

This way the 400 sets the bar the 757 our brought up to 777 pay.

the A320 surpasses the 737 pay

and the 737 pay steps up to where 757 pay was!

But argue it! Then we will know where you really stand!

 

[Ben Franklin]

So here we go then if CAL wants banded pay!

744 stand alone

777 767 757

A320

737....

This way the 400 sets the bar the 757 our brought up to 777 pay.

the A320 surpasses the 737 pay

and the 737 pay steps up to where 757 pay was!

But argue it! Then we will know where you really stand!

What "band" do the "regional" jets fit into?... you know, those planes that perform a lot of the furloughed United pilots' old work; the planes that the CAL PILOTS want to scope in and that the United pilots gave away?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[waveflyer]

Blend ALL the a/c and set one payrate for all

 

[ironspud]

This is a very minor issue.

 

[johnsonrod]

So here we go then if CAL wants banded pay!

744 stand alone

777 767 757

A320

737....

This way the 400 sets the bar the 757 our brought up to 777 pay.

the A320 surpasses the 737 pay

and the 737 pay steps up to where 757 pay was!

But argue it! Then we will know where you really stand!

The 737 pays more than the A320 at Delta I believe. And, you just won't lump the 777 with the 75/76. It should be lumped with the 744, that way more pilots are paid at the top scale. You United pilots are blinded by ego, and your airline is the weaker of the two together. You guys may be the next USAir East pilots(idiots).

 

[johnsonrod]

What "band" do the "regional" jets fit into?... you know, those planes that perform a lot of the furloughed United pilots' old work; the planes that the CAL PILOTS want to scope in and that the United pilots gave away?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

Bravo! The UAL guys seem to forget the lack of narrowbody planes and abundance of RJs that THEY bring to the table.

 

[EWR_FO]

And as the TA clearly points out, sooner rather than later you'll be back to negotiating your own CBA much like UAL, and all that leverage will go up in smoke, and so would be your lunacy.

Welcome to JCBA II! Until then you can hold your own CAL pilots hostage to your own substandard contract.

If it's "lunacy" to not allow the rules to be changed retroactively, so be it. Not sure what "TA" you are talking about. If you're talking about the protocol agreement, the merger closing has already taken place so that section is moot.

Section 3
Suspension and Resumption of Separate Negotiations and Mediation
3-A. Suspension of separate negotiations and mediation.​

Subject to Sections 2-K and 3-B, the Parties will suspend their present negotiations under the RLA for new separate collective bargaining agreements, and United and ALPA will jointly request the NMB to administratively close the current mediation between them.​

3-B. Resumption of separate negotiations and mediation.​

Continental and ALPA will resume their negotiations for a separate agreement under Section 6 of the RLA, and United and ALPA will jointly request the NMB to reopen their mediation for a separate agreement under Sections 5 and 6 of the RLA, (i) within thirty (30) days after termination of this Transition and Process Agreement, or (ii) at the option of any Party on fifteen (15) days notice to the other Parties, if by May 1, 2011 the Merger Closing has not taken place, or (iii) at any time by agreement.​

3-C. RLA.​

Except as specified by this Transition and Process Agreement, each Party retains its rights under the RLA.​

Section 4
Separation of Operations​

Continental and United will keep their flight operations separate until the
Operational Merger Date, or except as the Parties otherwise agree, specifically as follows:​

4-A. Collective bargaining agreements.​

The Continental CBA and United CBA will remain in effect for the respective Airlines and Pilot groups in accordance with the RLA except as modified by this Transition and Process Agreement or by the JCBA, or except as an Airline Party or Airline Parties and ALPA otherwise agree with respect to their particular CBA. Until the effective date of the JCBA, each of Continental and United will continue to operate under their respective Pilot CBAs as modified by this Transition and Process Agreement and by other agreements that may be entered into by ALPA and one or more Airline Parties with respect to their particular CBA.​