CAL - LAX Base

[JUNK YARD DOG]

SYSTEM BID
At the time of this writing, the next system bid is due out soon. After much work by your System Staffing Committee, the bid will include an LAX base with approximately 60 B-737 crews.


From union blast mail...

 

[johnsonrod]

Isn't there already a United LAX base? I know that UAL doesn't have 737s anymore, though. What's the latest on joint contract talks and SLI arbitration?

 

[ATRCA]

Isn't there already a United LAX base? I know that UAL doesn't have 737s anymore, though. What's the latest on joint contract talks and SLI arbitration?

You're way ahead of yourself......the JCBA is basically going nowhere at the moment and the SLI hasn't even been addressed so we're a long way from arbitration......

Come back in 18 months and I'd bet we'll be a little closer on the JCBA...after that, 24 months will have some news regarding our court ordered marriage.

See you then.

 

[BID]

You're way ahead of yourself......the JCBA is basically going nowhere at the moment and the SLI hasn't even been addressed so we're a long way from arbitration......

Come back in 18 months and I'd bet we'll be a little closer on the JCBA...after that, 24 months will have some news regarding our court ordered marriage.

See you then.

not really, the blast mail had some promising information on the JCBA. very cautious of course, but better then nothing. At least they are talking.

LAX base finally !!

 

[ATRCA]

not really, the blast mail had some promising information on the JCBA. very cautious of course, but better then nothing. At least they are talking.

LAX base finally !!

Yeah, I guess you're right. I'm not in a hurry. I wan't it done correctly, not quickly. My post implied impatience, but I'm more concerned with the final product than the timing.

 

[mamba20]

The longer the JCBA takes, the better chance the junior guys will have of not being furloughed. There will be a time soon that the NEW CAL wants to furlough and hopefully the greedy old, over 60 cock suckers will have retired to the point where if offsets furloughs. Those old windbags are on borrowed time. They shouldn't be here in the first place.

 

[chppr5]

The longer the JCBA takes, the better chance the junior guys will have of not being furloughed. There will be a time soon that the NEW CAL wants to furlough and hopefully the greedy old, over 60 cock suckers will have retired to the point where if offsets furloughs. Those old windbags are on borrowed time. They shouldn't be here in the first place.

Actually, the other way around. That scope win is short lived. CAL scope restricts CAL flight numbers on aircraft larger than 50 seats. Those 70 seaters are still flying out of IAH and EWR with UAL flt numbers. Once the SOC is achived there will be no more CAL flight numbers which means the company can operate more 70 seaters. So the sooner we get a JCBA and our arms around scope the better off the junior guys will be.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Actually, the other way around. That scope win is short lived. CAL scope restricts CAL flight numbers on aircraft larger than 50 seats. Those 70 seaters are still flying out of IAH and EWR with UAL flt numbers. Once the SOC is achived there will be no more CAL flight numbers which means the company can operate more 70 seaters. So the sooner we get a JCBA and our arms around scope the better off the junior guys will be.

This is wrong.

CAL pilots have protections against those 51+ seat jets until the JCBA and SLI are complete.

 

[chppr5]

This is wrong.

CAL pilots have protections against those 51+ seat jets until the JCBA and SLI are complete.

You may want to call Jay. Are the 70 seaters flying out of IAH and EWR with UAL flight numbers? The same will happen after the SOC with UAL flight numbers......CAL flight numbers will no longer exist. Time to contact your reps and get the interpretation of the grievance from last month.

 

[Ben Franklin]

You may want to call Jay. Are the 70 seaters flying out of IAH and EWR with UAL flight numbers? The same will happen after the SOC with UAL flight numbers......CAL flight numbers will no longer exist. Time to contact your reps and get the interpretation of the grievance from last month.

which grievance?

Last info I have from an elected rep is on 1/6 and they said that the CO code lasts until SLI/JCBA are both complete.

 

[Flopgut]

You may want to call Jay. Are the 70 seaters flying out of IAH and EWR with UAL flight numbers? The same will happen after the SOC with UAL flight numbers......CAL flight numbers will no longer exist. Time to contact your reps and get the interpretation of the grievance from last month.

You are completely wrong. As long as our contract exists our scope win is in force. Those 70 seaters are not even one third full and are causing chaos for our customers. Not one of which is the least bit confused about why and completely blame Jeff.

Focus on your side and win something over there.

 

[chppr5]

You are completely wrong. As long as our contract exists our scope win is in force. Those 70 seaters are not even one third full and are causing chaos for our customers. Not one of which is the least bit confused about why and completely blame Jeff.

Focus on your side and win something over there.

What did you win? You won the argument of putting the CO flight number on those flights. What happens when the CAL name no longer exists after the SOC? The total block hours increases for the new UAL which gives the company the ability to fly more 70 seaters. Your scope is great as long as the CO name and flight numbers exists. So maybe you need to focus on the reality of the scope win. Once there is a SOC without a JCBA and new scope protections you will see a lot more 70 seaters operating out of IAH and EWR. Your scope will protect your jobs but will those new 737's be for growth or replacement with more 170's flying around?

 

[Uncle Bort]

Very demonstrative of how attitudes at United have canabolized their pilot group and the career as a whole.

 

[Flopgut]

What did you win? You won the argument of putting the CO flight number on those flights. What happens when the CAL name no longer exists after the SOC?

We successfully defended our contract. As long as it exists, even after SOC, we have kneecapped Jeff's plans for the 70 seater. I realize Jeff is racing to get to the point you are describing. We've already been trying to meet with the arbitrator about the meaning of the arbitration win going forward. The arbitrator ruled that as long as our contract exists, the intent of our scope has bearing. Why don't you let CAL do the heavy lifting on scope and you see if you can get your side out from under the injunction? Jeff's actions have shown that he is not negotiating in good faith. Go back to the judge and show her what Jeff is doing. She's a Democrat and a Clinton appointee. How did you even lose that in the first place?!

 

[chppr5]

Very demonstrative of how attitudes at United have canabolized their pilot group and the career as a whole.

I have an attitude? Ok if you say so. Keep putting your head in the sand and every time you taxi by one of those 70 seaters in IAH and EWR keep telling yourself they are not there.