CAL Increasing Hiring Starting July

[ASAFOE120]

Whats considered competitive mins or is it just inside pull? how many recomendations do you need? Anything else help you to get an interview?

 

[ToThePain]

Have you actually heard that, or are you hopeful?

Not sure if this is directed at me so what I have stated on this thread comes from the person previous in charge of hiring that was in a sim with me. He said that classes would increase starting July.
Hopefully we will improve our contract across the board.

 

[catIIIc]

It was also in the MEC blastmail last week. 24 mos for july and august then 64/month after that.

 

[foreverfo]

You serious?? Alot of senior guys at CAL don't even know who XJT is and what we fly. Now they might, after 10 years of growing now shrinking. They voted in a substandard contract in '97 while letting their scope get loose, then they voted in a concessionary contract in '04...good luck in '08. You have "E-Jets" on property, they're called 3/500s..hold strong on the scope!

 

[Ex737Driver]

One reason for the incresed hiring is the number of new aircraft that are appearing next year. We will receive 18 737-800's and 12 737-900ER's, whcih is around 2 a month. Even with the optional loss of 14 737-300's (still pending), we will still have a net gain of 16 aircraft. Couple that with normal reitements, a few early out such as the 50 or so 777 CA's to Jet airways, some deaths and firings, and you are possibly looking at a MOAB in August.
I think we will see the 64 a month continue for quite some time and a minimum of 250 new CA's on the August bid, which should allow for another 400-600 new hires until next summer.

 

[Kugelblitz]

I know this subject is very broad since I've read other posts such as this, BUT, for you 121 guys, what's ballpark earnings for 1st yr FO at CAL? I've always been part 135, so I don't really know how the whole pay/bid system works in your world and how it = take home pay.

I missed all but 2 weeks of last year (hired 17JAN) and my first year pay as a EWR 737 FO was $23K as of the DEC 15th paycheck. Embarrassing for a purported major airline. We want high time pilots but don't want to pay them.

Try and tell someone in this company about the situation and all you get is "well I only made $15K", or, "you got to pay your dues", or, "we have 14 thousand apps on file so it must be okay".

I am a TWA/AA furloughee, and then I worked for Comair and observed many of the Delta pilots shamelessly pick up open time (and brag about it, that's how I found out) during the furloughs over there (not that APA didn't tell their own to do that as well), but with all that being said, this is truly the most self-interested and divided pilot group I have been a part of (after 6 airlines).

We have an opportunity to get a decent contract for everyone as we start our negotiations, and I personally have heard many $150/year Captains that I have worked with tell me that we should not ask for a pay raise. Just had one tell me that during 75/76 training in fact. After all, they are doing just fine. And a raise for new hires, forget it.

Don't even get me started on our work rules, oh wait, we don't really have any. And as for PBS, well that top 30% who is doing just fine just keep on rolling.

 

[Palomino]

We have an opportunity to get a decent contract for everyone as we start our negotiations, and I personally have heard many $150/year Captains that I have worked with tell me that we should not ask for a pay raise. Just had one tell me that during 75/76 training in fact. After all, they are doing just fine. And a raise for new hires, forget it.

Don't even get me started on our work rules, oh wait, we don't really have any. And as for PBS, well that top 30% who is doing just fine just keep on rolling.

don't worry too much. guys like this captain (doesn't deserve capitalization) are much less than 58% these days. they barely scooted the last contract under the radar. guys like him are afraid to fight for anything and the results are evident.

the company carrot-dangling will not work on angry dogs. we want the meat!

 

[pkober]

I missed all but 2 weeks of last year (hired 17JAN) and my first year pay as a EWR 737 FO was $23K as of the DEC 15th paycheck. Embarrassing for a purported major airline. We want high time pilots but don't want to pay them.

Try and tell someone in this company about the situation and all you get is "well I only made $15K", or, "you got to pay your dues", or, "we have 14 thousand apps on file so it must be okay".

I am a TWA/AA furloughee, and then I worked for Comair and observed many of the Delta pilots shamelessly pick up open time (and brag about it, that's how I found out) during the furloughs over there (not that APA didn't tell their own to do that as well), but with all that being said, this is truly the most self-interested and divided pilot group I have been a part of (after 6 airlines).



We have an opportunity to get a decent contract for everyone as we start our negotiations, and I personally have heard many $150/year Captains that I have worked with tell me that we should not ask for a pay raise. Just had one tell me that during 75/76 training in fact. After all, they are doing just fine. And a raise for new hires, forget it.

Don't even get me started on our work rules, oh wait, we don't really have any. And as for PBS, well that top 30% who is doing just fine just keep on rolling.

Sounds like someone has a case of the Monday's !! Or Tuesdays.

Don't sweat it Kugel, just put on some Rush and let the Hip Hop take you away.:laugh:

You forgot the work rules we had as CFI's at 3WE.

 

[Hutchman]

It was also in the MEC blastmail last week. 24 mos for july and august then 64/month after that.

I didn't see it in the blastmail. Where was it?

 

[CAL EWR B737]

I missed all but 2 weeks of last year (hired 17JAN) and my first year pay as a EWR 737 FO was $23K as of the DEC 15th paycheck. Embarrassing for a purported major airline. We want high time pilots but don't want to pay them.

Try and tell someone in this company about the situation and all you get is "well I only made $15K", or, "you got to pay your dues", or, "we have 14 thousand apps on file so it must be okay".

I am a TWA/AA furloughee, and then I worked for Comair and observed many of the Delta pilots shamelessly pick up open time (and brag about it, that's how I found out) during the furloughs over there (not that APA didn't tell their own to do that as well), but with all that being said, this is truly the most self-interested and divided pilot group I have been a part of (after 6 airlines).

We have an opportunity to get a decent contract for everyone as we start our negotiations, and I personally have heard many $150/year Captains that I have worked with tell me that we should not ask for a pay raise. Just had one tell me that during 75/76 training in fact. After all, they are doing just fine. And a raise for new hires, forget it.

Don't even get me started on our work rules, oh wait, we don't really have any. And as for PBS, well that top 30% who is doing just fine just keep on rolling.

All I can say to your post is BS! You haven't seen the Wilson Polling numbers I have. I will not break any of my confidentiality agreements but I can comfortably say our pilot group is very ready for the fight ahead called Contract 08 negotiations.

How about we stop negotiating on a public forum, stop taking shots at our pilot group and ready ourselves for the war ahead called Contract 08. Today One Hundred of your union Brothers and Sisters participated in a very successful CAL Stockholders meeting. Your MEC chairman along with the hundred pilots in attendance did an outstanding job letting our management, board of directors and stockholders that Continental Pilots are ready to fight for our fair share. Larry Kellner even publically stated several times our CAL ALPA phrase of an "On Time Contract" in reference to the Pilot's Contract 08.

Time for every one of our pilots to stop the infighting and prepare mentally and financially for the battles ahead!

 

[BID]

All I can say to your post is BS! You haven't seen the Wilson Polling numbers I have. I will not break any of my confidentiality agreements but I can comfortably say our pilot group is very ready for the fight ahead called Contract 08 negotiations.

How about we stop negotiating on a public forum, stop taking shots at our pilot group and ready ourselves for the war ahead called Contract 08. Today One Hundred of your union Brothers and Sisters participated in a very successful CAL Stockholders meeting. Your MEC chairman along with the hundred pilots in attendance did an outstanding job letting our management, board of directors and stockholders that Continental Pilots are ready to fight for our fair share. Larry Kellner even publically stated several times our CAL ALPA phrase of an "On Time Contract" in reference to the Pilot's Contract 08.

Time for every one of our pilots to stop the infighting and prepare mentally and financially for the battles ahead!

Well said.

 

[jonjuan]

Revenue pressure at CAL will factor into negotiations

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...3CC-B776-4ECD-A06D-5BD6E9011EF3}&siteid=yhoof
Continental Airlines Inc. also slumped after analysts cut their earnings expectations for the airline. Continental fell $1.59, or 4.5 percent, to $34.10.

 

[pkober]

All I can say to your post is BS! You haven't seen the Wilson Polling numbers I have. I will not break any of my confidentiality agreements but I can comfortably say our pilot group is very ready for the fight ahead called Contract 08 negotiations.

How about we stop negotiating on a public forum, stop taking shots at our pilot group and ready ourselves for the war ahead called Contract 08. Today One Hundred of your union Brothers and Sisters participated in a very successful CAL Stockholders meeting. Your MEC chairman along with the hundred pilots in attendance did an outstanding job letting our management, board of directors and stockholders that Continental Pilots are ready to fight for our fair share. Larry Kellner even publically stated several times our CAL ALPA phrase of an "On Time Contract" in reference to the Pilot's Contract 08.

Time for every one of our pilots to stop the infighting and prepare mentally and financially for the battles ahead!

My one worry is that our scabs have crossed one picket line and the airline knows that if push comes to shove those low lives will do it again.

 

[bearcat]

My one worry is that our scabs have crossed one picket line and the airline knows that if push comes to shove those low lives will do it again.

Ahh, but now there are over 1000 newbies that are ready to fight for a contract. At least I am.

 

[geshields]

My one worry is that our scabs have crossed one picket line and the airline knows that if push comes to shove those low lives will do it again.

You are worried about 500 senior guys that are close to retirement?? What is that now, 10% of our pilot group. Last I checked you can't run an airline with thta few people.

I am part of the 1000 new hires since 2005 and I want a lot more than our current contract has in it. Most of us came from regionals, charter or were furloughed from previous airlines with better contracts than C02. I am up for a fight. Question is, are you? Or you can just sit back and say what will it help, the scabs will ruin it for us...

 

[HHH]

This is great news about the increased hiring! I understand that there are several "stacks" of resumes and the objective is to get into the "short stack". Once your name is in the short stack though, are you pretty much guaranteed an interview? If so, how many names are usually in the short stack?

Thanks.

 

[pkober]

You are worried about 500 senior guys that are close to retirement?? What is that now, 10% of our pilot group. Last I checked you can't run an airline with thta few people.

I am part of the 1000 new hires since 2005 and I want a lot more than our current contract has in it. Most of us came from regionals, charter or were furloughed from previous airlines with better contracts than C02. I am up for a fight. Question is, are you? Or you can just sit back and say what will it help, the scabs will ruin it for us...

You can quit the "jumping on the sword" speech to me. I've been furloughed also.

It's easy to say you will do whatever it takes on Flightinfo.com. When it comes down to it, I'm not sure we can get enough support to do a strike with any real effect. Maybe some work actions, but I don't know about a strike.

As far as the 500 senior guys. They will take another 500 with them, those who agree with the way they think. The scab mentality is seen in other non-scabs also.

 

[EMBpilot]

This is great news about the increased hiring! I understand that there are several "stacks" of resumes and the objective is to get into the "short stack". Once your name is in the short stack though, are you pretty much guaranteed an interview? If so, how many names are usually in the short stack?

Thanks.

From what I understand/heard, please correct if I am wrong..

There two stacks: interview pool and everyone else.
Once you are selected into the interview pool, yes, you are guaranteed an interview.
I heard different numbers on the size - between 200 and 800... I heard people swimming in the interview pool for up to a year.

Good luck

 

[HHH]

From what I understand/heard, please correct if I am wrong..

There two stacks: interview pool and everyone else.
Once you are selected into the interview pool, yes, you are guaranteed an interview.
I heard different numbers on the size - between 200 and 800... I heard people swimming in the interview pool for up to a year.

Good luck

Thanks!

 

[Deacon]

Why didn't everyone say this about UPS and American??? UPS was less until about 5 months go. And there pay rates weren't out of site like they are now. Yes the 1st year rates suck at CAL, but other places were just as bad.

first year at AA paid $2500/month during the hiring boom of the late 90s and guys still lines up at Cecil's parking spot to get an interview........and yes first year pay sucks as does pbs