CAL giving up on EWR?

[luckytohaveajob]

If the majors want to try and entice people to climb onto a 120 seat turboprop someday and fly coast to coast, more power to them. The problem are the DC-9/Md-80 like regional jet replacements that are kicking us out of jobs and decent pay.

CAL management assigns 737's as transcon airframes. It uses 757 for Atlantic crossings against the wind.

Would CAL stuff passengers into a Q 600 with 120 seats and fly it across the country? CAL already does that exact thing whether the passengers like it or not. And then they brag about what a great customer service they provide.

Does CAL scope prevent a 120 seat transon turboprop from flying the brand? NO!

All CAL has to do is tell the advertisers its like riding in a Prius.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

As far as the compliant pilot thing, that is truly an issue in the past and not the present but if you need to pigeonhole us that way, go ahead. Nobody has signed off on anything over here lately, and the scabs are dying off (literally).

Really, are you a union rep.? An issue of the past? Yea right.

CAL is the only airline which is still flying over 200 over 60 pilots who were over 60 on Dec. 13, 2007. 200+ of them. A major senior seniority block that will be target number one in a merged SLI reducing CAL's integration abilities.

CAL is as compliant a pilot group as JBLU.

 

[catIIIc]

Yes, but don't forget by years end 2009, CAL will have parked all its old gen 737-300. And will continue to park additional 737-500 reducing its total airframe count of 341 further.

CAL will have 300 airframes by 2010. Pretty darn close to the regional count which will further increase with that wonderful CAL Scope.

You just got scooped.

If you are going to throw out numbers and call scooped you better make sure they are right.

According to our last 8k filling:
End of '10 mainline fleet count:347
End of '10 regional fleet count: 265

http://www.continental.com/web/en-U...tor/docs/continental_8k_2009_072101.pdf#fleet

Sell crazy somewhere else.

 

[rjacobs]

Yes, but don't forget by years end 2009, CAL will have parked all its old gen 737-300. And will continue to park additional 737-500 reducing its total airframe count of 341 further.

CAL will have 300 airframes by 2010. Pretty darn close to the regional count which will further increase with that wonderful CAL Scope.

You just got scooped.

Read the post below

If you are going to throw out numbers and call scooped you better make sure they are right.

According to our last 8k filling:
End of '10 mainline fleet count:347
End of '10 regional fleet count: 265

http://www.continental.com/web/en-U...tor/docs/continental_8k_2009_072101.pdf#fleet

Sell crazy somewhere else.

Here is CAL's fleet forecast through 2010. If your going to spout numbers off, like I said before, you need to check your facts as there are people on here much smarter than you who actually do research before throwing "facts" out.


Total Total Total
Qtr Year Year
End End End
2Q09 3Q09E 4Q09E 2009E 1Q10E 2Q10E 3Q10E 4Q10E 2010E
Mainline
777-200ER 20 - - 20 - 2 - - 22
767-400ER 16 - - 16 - - - - 16
767-200ER 10 - - 10 - - - - 10
757-300 17 - - 17 3 1 - - 21
757-200 41 - - 41 - - - - 41
737-900ER 22 6 2 30 - - 2 - 32
737-900 12 - - 12 - - - - 12
737-800 117 - - 117 4 4 1 - 126
737-700 36 - - 36 - - - - 36
737-500* 40 (6) - 34 (3) - - - 31
737-300* 20 (12) (4) 4 (4) - - - -
Total 351 (12) (2) 337 - 7 3 - 347
Regional
ERJ-145 229 - - 229 - - - - 229
ERJ-135 - - - - - - - - -
CRJ200LR 7 - - 7 (7) - - - -
Q400 14 - - 14 - - 1 5 20
Q200 16 - - 16 - - - - 16
Total 266 - - 266 (7) - 1 5 265

Total Count 617 (12) (2) 603 (7) 7 4 5 612
I do agree with you that CAL has a ton of regional aircraft, but please look at every other airline as well and look at how many regional vs. mainline aircraft they have and I bet the CAL numbers wont be so terrible. Then look at the seat count between the CAL regional aircraft and every other airline and I bet the numbers will look even more rediculous.

 

[rjacobs]

Yes, but don't forget by years end 2009, CAL will have parked all its old gen 737-300. And will continue to park additional 737-500 reducing its total airframe count of 341 further.

CAL will have 300 airframes by 2010. Pretty darn close to the regional count which will further increase with that wonderful CAL Scope.

You just got scooped.

Read the post below

If you are going to throw out numbers and call scooped you better make sure they are right.

According to our last 8k filling:
End of '10 mainline fleet count:347
End of '10 regional fleet count: 265

http://www.continental.com/web/en-U...tor/docs/continental_8k_2009_072101.pdf#fleet

Sell crazy somewhere else.

Here is CAL's fleet forecast through 2010. If your going to spout numbers off, like I said before, you need to check your facts as there are people on here much smarter than you who actually do research before throwing "facts" out.


Total Total Total
Qtr Year Year
End End End
2Q09 3Q09E 4Q09E 2009E 1Q10E 2Q10E 3Q10E 4Q10E 2010E
Mainline
777-200ER 20 - - 20 - 2 - - 22
767-400ER 16 - - 16 - - - - 16
767-200ER 10 - - 10 - - - - 10
757-300 17 - - 17 3 1 - - 21
757-200 41 - - 41 - - - - 41
737-900ER 22 6 2 30 - - 2 - 32
737-900 12 - - 12 - - - - 12
737-800 117 - - 117 4 4 1 - 126
737-700 36 - - 36 - - - - 36
737-500* 40 (6) - 34 (3) - - - 31
737-300* 20 (12) (4) 4 (4) - - - -
Total 351 (12) (2) 337 - 7 3 - 347
Regional
ERJ-145 229 - - 229 - - - - 229
ERJ-135 - - - - - - - - -
CRJ200LR 7 - - 7 (7) - - - -
Q400 14 - - 14 - - 1 5 20
Q200 16 - - 16 - - - - 16
Total 266 - - 266 (7) - 1 5 265

Total Count 617 (12) (2) 603 (7) 7 4 5 612


I do agree with you that CAL has a ton of regional aircraft, but please look at every other airline as well and look at how many regional vs. mainline aircraft they have and I bet the CAL numbers wont be so terrible. Then look at the seat count between the CAL regional aircraft and every other airline's and even though CAL's regional fleet is pretty big, I bet the overall ratio of seats at mainline vs. regional will surprise you with every other airline having some form of 70-90 seat aircraft in large quantities.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Yes, but don't forget by years end 2009, CAL will have parked all its old gen 737-300. And will continue to park additional 737-500 reducing its total airframe count of 341 further.

CAL will have 300 airframes by 2010. Pretty darn close to the regional count which will further increase with that wonderful CAL Scope.

You just got scooped.

Are you guessing or making this up as you go? Since you seem to have the insider knowledge of how far the and how many Q400's CAL will have, tell us o' wise one, what are those two numbers?

Sorry, what, huh, can't hear ya? Well, let me answer for you? CAL's fleet plan is for 337 aircraft by YE2009 and 347 by YE2010. The regional fleet count decreases by 1 airframe and 6 Q400's are added. Dumb ass. Go count your nuts. You might have better luck with that math.

 

[EWR_FO]

CAL management assigns 737's as transcon airframes. It uses 757 for
Does CAL scope prevent a 120 seat transon turboprop from flying the brand? NO!

Wrong.

Jet: 50 or less seats.

Turboprop: 79 seats or less.

It could be better but it also could be worse.

 

[Ex737Driver]

CAL management assigns 737's as transcon airframes. It uses 757 for Atlantic crossings against the wind.

Would CAL stuff passengers into a Q 600 with 120 seats and fly it across the country? CAL already does that exact thing whether the passengers like it or not. And then they brag about what a great customer service they provide.

Does CAL scope prevent a 120 seat transon turboprop from flying the brand? NO!

All CAL has to do is tell the advertisers its like riding in a Prius.

The sincerest form of flattery is imitation...........look it up. Look tree hugger; just because you drive a refrigerator box on wheels does not mean that CAL will have a Q400 go further than PWM. Spill this drivel on people that believe you; go back to the yahoo boards.

 

[sleeves]

CAL management assigns 737's as transcon airframes. It uses 757 for Atlantic crossings against the wind.

Would CAL stuff passengers into a Q 600 with 120 seats and fly it across the country? CAL already does that exact thing whether the passengers like it or not. And then they brag about what a great customer service they provide.

Does CAL scope prevent a 120 seat transon turboprop from flying the brand? NO!

All CAL has to do is tell the advertisers its like riding in a Prius.

I will not argue with you that we have more than our share of boot lickers. We have guys that will do anything for MGT. especially if it involves harming another pilot.
Do you really think they will buy turbo props to do trans cons? I guess the constellations did it in the 50's but do you think people will sit that long in an airplane?

 

[luckytohaveajob]

I quoted my source as Airlinepilot.com for numbers. Check the past quotes copies from others of my post!

You quoted yours as the 8K report. You have the more accurate info.

But 337 mainline to 266 regional means 79% of CAL's airframe are not being flown by CAL pilots. Everyone from CAL sounds like management especially when you discuss ASM verse airframes. Two pilots fly the same airframe that has 70/90 or whatever number of seats.

The scope issue is about protecting and increasing jobs at the mainline verse being shipped off to unsafe, non-standard, airlines who are flying on CAL tickets. JOBS have been lost at CAL since 1995 without limit. If a 70 seat airframe would do a transcon CAL would replace a CAL pilot today.

CAL pilots win arguments by looking at the leaves instead of the forest that is getting ready to go up in flames around them.

79%

That number is much higher than DALs 50%. 5% is significant.