CAL Fleet Plan

[Furloughed80]

[FONT=ARIAL,]2010

1st Qtr:
3 757-300s

2nd Qtr:
2 777-200ERs, 8 737-800s

3rd Qtr:
1 737-800

4th Qtr:
2 737-900ER

2011

1st Qtr:
2 737-800s

2nd Qtr:
4 737-900ERs

3rd Qtr:
1 737-800, 4 787-8

4th Qtr:
2 787-8

That's 8 new wide-bodies in the next 2 years. 6 in 2011 alone. All growth aircraft as the 767-200s are projected to stay in the fleet indefinitely. CAL will finally get the W/B lift it so desperately needs.

[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,]http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...ntinental_8k_2010_012101.pdf#fleet[/FONT]

 

[tie1on]

quit dreaming, jeff will find a way to screw you again. He does not care about you, look for another miracle lure in the near future. better get out soon.

there is no fleet plan. MERGER is coming

 

[Hutchman]

Those 6 in 2011 were supposed to be here LAST YEAR. All 787 deliveries are guesses at this point. Since the plane is now flying I am betting the odds are improving that they will eventually show up some time in the future.

 

[Dart]

How many on furlough still?? Any idea on hiring once all are recalled? Thanks

 

[ATRCA]

147 on furlough, no plans to recall, no plan to hire.............

That about sums up the companies position. I don't think there is any credible reason to believe otherwise at the moment. Hiring will begin in 2012 when the gummers are forced to finally go home.

 

[FlyinGuy]

2012 if they do not merge with UAL. Once they merge, all bets are off.

 

[ATRCA]

2012 if they do not merge with UAL. Once they merge, all bets are off.

The merged company will never hire. No one hires when they're bankrupt. A combined CAL/UAL would never be able to service their combined debt. They can barely do it now individually. Debt is the reason the merger was dropped the first time around. Nothing has changed materially in the meantime to improve that situation. That certainly doesn't preclude the possibility of a merger since the banks win but it doesn't bode well for the future.

 

[Furloughed80]

In my opinion, there is a strong possibility we could see furloughs return this Fall. This is based on an internal e-mail from manpower planning. Of course these plans could change in an instant, so take it for what it's worth. The last two years we have seen a spike in retirements around November when the GATT rate adjusts. 2010 should be no different. Let's hope for the best.

 

[motch]

You are correct in that a merged CAL/UAL would not hire for some time due to-
1) Possibly 1300+ pilots on the street (if it happened today)
2) UAL's 70 seat RJ feed which would negate the need to call back the furloughees IF-
The new airline did not have some sort of scope protection like CAL has currently.

On the other hand, if a merger is not announced in 2010 then expect to see recalls and hiring this year because-
Since bid 10-02 came out, we have leveled off on our aircraft numbers yet looking at bid 11-02, we show less pilots (4098 v. 4190) yet our fleet numbers are starting to increase. And as Furloughed80 states, we will have an increase in widebodies in 2010 and continued increases in 2011. Plus, in 2011 we start to bring our 737 numbers up to make up for the loss of the 737-300/500's these past 18 months.

The company will continue to manipulate the numbers for Wall Street but the reality is-
we will have more than 4 pilots retire this year.
we will have increased utilization of our current fleet.
we will have added flying, ie charters, mil and new routes.
we will melt down on a few occasions this summer based on current staffing!
At some point, even they will have to realize that.

One thing that still amazes me is that they are playing these games when the cards are in the pilots groups hand (along with maintenance).
If we make no headway this year, we can expect to be released sometime in 2011. Right when the 787's are coming, the economic recovery should be in full swing and best of all...
If we haven't come to an agreement by the summer of 2011 then expect to see chaos while at the same time Delta will be kicking all our collective asses! Star Alliance and Lufty are gonna love that~

Of course, if a merger were announced sometime this year, next year would be a mess but for other reasons...

Oh and one last thing. At some point this year/next year we will see changes in FAR rest regulations. This may change how we use reserves and also affect some of the other scheduling rules. While I would expect a 6-18 month time period for carries to implement the new rules, it should also help us in the long run~

motch

 

[contrail67]

You are correct in that a merged CAL/UAL would not hire for some time due to-
1) Possibly 1300+ pilots on the street (if it happened today)
2) UAL's 70 seat RJ feed which would negate the need to call back the furloughees IF-
The new airline did not have some sort of scope protection like CAL has currently.

On the other hand, if a merger is not announced in 2010 then expect to see recalls and hiring this year because-
Since bid 10-02 came out, we have leveled off on our aircraft numbers yet looking at bid 11-02, we show less pilots (4098 v. 4190) yet our fleet numbers are starting to increase. And as Furloughed80 states, we will have an increase in widebodies in 2010 and continued increases in 2011. Plus, in 2011 we start to bring our 737 numbers up to make up for the loss of the 737-300/500's these past 18 months.

The company will continue to manipulate the numbers for Wall Street but the reality is-
we will have more than 4 pilots retire this year.
we will have increased utilization of our current fleet.
we will have added flying, ie charters, mil and new routes.
we will melt down on a few occasions this summer based on current staffing!
At some point, even they will have to realize that.

One thing that still amazes me is that they are playing these games when the cards are in the pilots groups hand (along with maintenance).
If we make no headway this year, we can expect to be released sometime in 2011. Right when the 787's are coming, the economic recovery should be in full swing and best of all...
If we haven't come to an agreement by the summer of 2011 then expect to see chaos while at the same time Delta will be kicking all our collective asses! Star Alliance and Lufty are gonna love that~

Of course, if a merger were announced sometime this year, next year would be a mess but for other reasons...

Oh and one last thing. At some point this year/next year we will see changes in FAR rest regulations. This may change how we use reserves and also affect some of the other scheduling rules. While I would expect a 6-18 month time period for carries to implement the new rules, it should also help us in the long run~

motch

With all that said, I read on here also that if in the event of a merger the "new" contract had the United work rules....they would be short..immediately..any thoughts about this?