Cal ecpected to cave on scope

[Knob]

As part of skywests proposal to buy xjt, skywest has apparently already negotiated a deal with cal to fly 70-90 seat jets as long as they get scope relief. Here is one thing they are offering xjt:
Allows for up to 75 A/C to be removed but replaced one for one. The scenario presented presumed CAL achieves scope relief in the next contract and larger A/C would be introduced in place of the retired A/C.
I hope the cal pilots stand strong and don't let this happen.

 

[Palomino]

As part of skywests proposal to buy xjt, skywest has apparently already negotiated a deal with cal to fly 70-90 seat jets as long as they get scope relief. Here is one thing they are offering xjt:
Allows for up to 75 A/C to be removed but replaced one for one. The scenario presented presumed CAL achieves scope relief in the next contract and larger A/C would be introduced in place of the retired A/C.
I hope the cal pilots stand strong and don't let this happen.

define 'ecpected'

CAL pilots have caved on a lot of things. Scope is not among those items sacrificed nor will it be.

Scope relaxation has failed at the following carriers: UAL, DAL, NWA, & Frontier. What do all of these carriers have in common? Despite the 'relief' that scope relaxation provided they all have recently taken a trip thru bankruptcy. CAL has saved a bunch of money recently due to a depleted pilot contract. They got almost everything from us, but strong scope language remains. I have a hard time believing that CAL mgmnt really gives a hoot about 70-90 seaters at a regional carrier. If they want them bad enough they can buy all they want and pay CAL pilots on the CAL seniority list Small Narrowbody payrates in accordance with our Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Good luck getting additonal scope relief from any major carrier. Doesn't save a thing especially in a brutal high-cost fuel environment.

Long live the turboprop!

 

[Ex737Driver]

April 2007, CAL mgmt presented a 45 minute proposal to the MEC concerning at 70-90 RJ and allowing shaneequa to fly them. The proposal alllowed for up to 100 of the aircraft. Their spin to make this happen was to pay the CAL pilots 1/2 of all of the profit from the second RJ operation. Thankfully, our MEC had but one response and that was, "we are not interested". This was done with a mostly disfunctional MEC and not that out track record is stellar, but our current MEC understands that a change in scope is non-negoitable. For the bottom third of our senority list, or the b3rd as they are refered too, relaxing scope to give away their jobs is nothing short of starting a strike now.

 

[Hutchman]

As part of skywests proposal to buy xjt, skywest has apparently already negotiated a deal with cal to fly 70-90 seat jets as long as they get scope relief.

It is XJT scope they need relief on. Currently all flying under the XJT umbrella must be done by pilots on the XJT seniority list. Skywest wants to buy the company and run it separately, which is not allowed under the current XJT pilot contract.

This has nothing to do with CAL.

 

[Superpilot92]

It is XJT scope they need relief on. Currently all flying under the XJT umbrella must be done by pilots on the XJT seniority list. Skywest wants to buy the company and run it separately, which is not allowed under the current XJT pilot contract.

This has nothing to do with CAL.

Exact wordage,

• Allows for up to 75 A/C to be removed but replaced one for one. The scenario presented presumed CAL achieves scope relief in the next contract and larger A/C would be introduced in place of the retired A/C.

That is wrong. The skywest proposal was in 2 parts about scope. One being XJT pilots scope and the other was to allow "larger" aircraft at XJT under the "expectation" that CAL would get scope relief out of it pilots in the next round of negotiations.

So it has everything to do with CAL as far as the "larger" aircraft are concerned. The XJT pilot scope relief is relief from the Pilot contract at XJT that prevents Skywest from not combining the seniority lists and whipsawing the pilot groups against each other ala:freedom.

Either "RELIEF" would be very bad - Just say NO

 

[BigMeat]

Hmmm...well many of us are willing to strike ourselves out of job to protect that scope. I am one of them.

 

[AWACoff]

I am willing to strike for many things and scope is one of them. We will not be caving on scope. Nothing to see here folks...move along.

 

[Dr.Hwang]

There will be no scope relief. We will not chose to give away our jobs to some else. We might fly the smaller planes, but not an outsider from another company.

 

[ofacegangsta]

Best of luck to the CO pilots.

 

[jetflier]

Do Not give an inch on your SCOPE.

We at NWA (not I), gave in on SCOPE and created Compass Airlines.
Nothing personal about CPZ pilots, but month to month we watch CPZ growing while our narrow body cities and growth is being replaced by CPZ jets.

Good deal for the airline, pilot costs are cut in half, bad deal for pilots, watch your jobs fly away...