CAL bags 148 Pilots

[General Lee]

At most places you do not accrue longevity while you are furloughed.

A furloughed pilot does at Delta. Good luck to the CAL guys....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mamma]

Anyone who calls in sick when they are not sick has no integrity and when your integrity is gone, what is left?

You would make a great management candidate at many a fine company! I think sick leave should be changed to "paid time off" like it is over at Jetblue and used at your discretion.

By the way California based fellas, there is a law there that allows you to take 40 hours a year (8 hours/month max) off from your job to attend your child's school events. Worried about missing your kids big game then this might help!

http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/pf/pf/fampartact.asp

 

[Morning Wood]

Anyone who calls in sick when they are not sick has no integrity and when your integrity is gone, what is left?

"Once you give up integrity, the rest is a piece of cake".
JR Ewing.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

None of this makes financial sense to me. Furloughing 150 of the most junior guys (who each make approximately $35,000 per year) only amounts to approximately $5.25 million the company is saving each year. That's just a drop in the bucket, IMHO, and hardly justifies the additional cost of retraining these guys within the next 18 months.

So to me it raises the question of whether the company is just f-ing around with the union in order to soften them up for negotiations, or if they're just not very bright when it comes to basic bottom-line business decisions. Because to me it seems like the cost of furloughing approximately 2% of the pilot group will significantly outweigh the cost benefits of furloughing, not only in dollars, but pilot goodwill as well.

Excellent point. I have three buddies who will lose their jobs because CAL needs to save 5 million bucks. They can't come up with another way to save that little?

I got an idea -- furlough the top 100 captains. Save over 20 million right there and you get the most senile fat guys off of the list.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I got an idea -- furlough the top 100 captains. Save over 20 million right there and you get the most senile fat guys off of the list.

Yeah but those senile fat guys are buying the second vacation home, 3rd boat and 6th or 7th trophy wife. Seems that they are stimulating the economy while you waste your first year pay on top ramen and food for your kids. Senile and fat, it takes a lot of money to achieve that status. Don't worry you are just a stroke away from moving up the list and achieving it next!
PBR

 

[ATRCA]

Anyone who calls in sick when they are not sick has no integrity and when your integrity is gone, what is left?

Ha, yeah, thats funny dude! Thanks for the laugh...

cough, cough, I'm not feeling well.............

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Yeah but those senile fat guys are buying the second vacation home, 3rd boat and 6th or 7th trophy wife. Seems that they are stimulating the economy while you waste your first year pay on top ramen and food for your kids. Senile and fat, it takes a lot of money to achieve that status. Don't worry you are just a stroke away from moving up the list and achieving it next!
PBR

Now when you say "you" I know you don't mean me. One, I don't work at CAL. And B, JB would have to furlough about 900 pilots to get to me.

Did I just jinx myself?

7th trophy wife? Hmmm ...

 

[flyboy006]

I jumpsat on a CAL flight where we were talking and the Capt(who's name i later found on a certain list somewhere on the net)said that it was ok for Captains to pick up open time in the right seat. I then brought up the topic of furlough, and he said that when you come to an airline you know there is the chance of furlough occuring. "Its part of being junior!" So I asked they why would you pick up open time, his response cause we can and we make more money. I guess he was pretty irritated with me and my negative remarks towards him by the end of that flight. Oh well. If you are reading this PZ, know this, you will never ride in my jumpseat or on my airplane even if we have 200 seats open ever.. Good luck to all the junior CAL guys!!

 

[spacecadet1]

How many scabs still left at Continental? Are the scabs in managment positions?

 

[tie1on]

too dam many

 

[Patriot328]

How many scabs still left at Continental? Are the scabs in managment positions?

Too many but the problem isn't only the scabs. There are quite a few '87 hires and up doing the same thing.

Pathetic.

 

[IAHERJ]

If Lorenzo had his way, those 1987 hires(big hiring boom at CAL) would have been on a list as well. HIs intention was for them to fly all the Eastern aircraft when he forced a strike on them a year or so later....

 

[waveflyer]

the furloughs are hostages. it's been said. it's not about money.
it's about keeping us down and afraid of what might happen if a good contract is negotiated and implemented.
Please do create lists of guys who are picking up time-- i'll boot them off my jumpseat,- someone w/ that little regard for not just the furloughee- but the affect that furloughs has on negotiations and unity- doesn't deserve any perk provided by the industry.

 

[waveflyer]

AND... as a junior guy=- i will say this over and over and over.... a furlough or shutdown is not as bad as a concession. GET THE CONTRACT RAISES YOU'VE EARNED, even if management says that i'm furloughed b/c of it.

All the concessions after 9/11 accomplished was make the job not worth coming back to. And lined the pockets of management.

 

[Tweaker]

two great posts, waveflyer. Good sentiment, and I second you.