CAL 777 hits CAT?

[Spooky 2]

This is very similar to the story I heard. The CA was on break with the FO and IRO at the controls when they hit the CAT and went all over the place. But this was fairly recent from what I heard.

Its certainly not an unbelievable event, so why all the hush hush about it if really happened. I have been tossed around very badly before in CAT and I would want to know about this and learn from it instead of trying to cover it up.

My issue with your statement was the use of the word "inverted". Simply did not happen or even come come close. Might have been on hell of a ride for a few minutes but inverted, or even close, it was not. When we embelish to the point of the absurd we do not do any of our fellow airman any favors. Not aware of any cover up on the part of CAL and maybe someone here as a better information resource than I and certainly better than having heard a couple of CAL pilots talking about it.

 

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The flight crew reported that they observed a LOW AIRSPEED advisoryon the aircraft’s Engine Indication and Crew Alerting System (EICAS), whenclimbing through flight level (FL) 380. They also reported that, at the same time, the aircraft’s slip/skid indication2 deflected to the full right position on the Primary Flight Display (PFD)3. The PFD speed tape4 then indicated that the aircraft was approaching the overspeed limit and the stall speed limit5 simultaneously. The aircraft nose then pitched up, with the aircraft climbing to approximately FL410. The indicated airspeed then decreased from 270 to 158 kts, and the stall warning

and stick shaker devices activated. The pilot in command reported that he then disconnected the autopilot and lowered the nose of the aircraft. ​

.....The pilot in command later reported that the PFD indications appeared normal
when descending through FL200. He then reportedly selected the LEFT6 autopilot‘ON’, but the aircraft banked to the right and the nose pitched down, so the autopilot was disengaged. A similar result occurred when the RIGHT autopilot was selected, so the pilot in command left the autopilot disengaged and manually flew the aircraft. The pilot in command reported that, with the autopilot disengaged, there were no further control difficulties experienced. The pilot in command reported that he attempted to disconnect the autothrottle by pressing the thrust lever autothrottle disconnect switches and pushing the autothrottle engage switch. The autothrottle arm switches had remained in the ‘ARMED’ position during the occurrence.​

... The flight crew later reported that the aircraft’s autobrake system was selected to AUTOBRAKE 3 before landing, but that after landing the autobrakes were not able to be cancelled by using the brake pedals. The AUTOBRAKE switch was then selected to OFF and normal operation resumed.​

Hate to Monday morning quarterback, but does anyone else question the idea of leaving the automation on after observing obviously incorrect data coming from the AHRS/IRS/ADC and having the autopilot chase the bad data into a cross controlled stall with a swept wing jet at high altitude? Then later re-engaging the right and left autopilots to try a little in flight experimentation to isolate and identify the problem? After Alaska's experience with the MD88 horizontal stabilizer jack screw I thought every airline had issued instructions to no experiment with in flight diagnostics unless the safety of the flight required such action.​

 

[whatitdoing?]

Ya, it's true. From what I understand, it was a CAL 777 somewhere over the Artic. The FO and IRO where at the controls when they hit CAT. They clicked off the autopilot and went for an interesting ride. I don't know anything beyond that, but it seems they went "near" inverted. I think I would of crapped myself.

So you don't see the "near" part huh SPOOKY??? It's put in quotes because I also didn't think it went inverted. You need to chill.

 

[Sig]

When you stretch that gaping lower body orifice through constant abuse from your paying customers, this is the natural result.

This is probably the first logical and accurate post you have ever made.

I have a new hero.... heroine.

That's an all-time classic!

 

[Spooky 2]

So you don't see the "near" part huh SPOOKY??? It's put in quotes because I also didn't think it went inverted. You need to chill.

Sorry but your sounding more like a clown in each post. Near inverted..inverted...what ever you want to call it, didn't happen. Sorry to spoil your BS story. Have no idea what your experience is but your tall tales are typical of someone who is clueless about areodynamics and especially those of the B777.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

When you stretch that gaping lower body orifice through constant abuse from your paying customers, this is the natural result.

This is probably the first logical and accurate post you have ever made.

Poor flygirl. I know I make you so jealous because you will always be a gear jerker and you probably . Mod Edit: I like to make dumb comments and the mods have to edit me.


Oh, and sorry about having to work for CAL. That is probably why you are so bitter. PBS got ya down again? hehehe LOL.

 

[Spooky 2]

Hate to Monday morning quarterback, but does anyone else question the idea of leaving the automation on after observing obviously incorrect data coming from the AHRS/IRS/ADC and having the autopilot chase the bad data into a cross controlled stall with a swept wing jet at high altitude? Then later re-engaging the right and left autopilots to try a little in flight experimentation to isolate and identify the problem? After Alaska's experience with the MD88 horizontal stabilizer jack screw I thought every airline had issued instructions to no experiment with in flight diagnostics unless the safety of the flight required such action.​

It would a severe case on second guessing this crews actions IMO. The airplane has certain features that make it almost fool proof and disconnecting the AP and AT is one of the recomended procedures for unstabilized flight. Left to the aircraft logic alone the AT's will wake up and reengage when the airspeed becomes to low as long as the AT Arm switches are on the on position. The fact that you cannot turn the ADIRU off in flight sets a up a series of events that only compounded the problem. I think the crew did the best with what cards were delt.

 

[airksk]

Sorry but your sounding more like a clown in each post. Near inverted..inverted...what ever you want to call it, didn't happen. Sorry to spoil your BS story. Have no idea what your experience is but your tall tales are typical of someone who is clueless about areodynamics and especially those of the B777.

So, what are the special aerodynamics of the 777 that prevent it from going inverted in CAT? I'm apparently one of the poor illiterates that never went to Riddle to learn aerodynamics.
Oh, don't worry about Whatitdoing's experience. I've flown with him a bunch, he's flown everything from heavy's on down the line to turboprops. He's got a little experience. He was repeating a story he heard.

So lighten up, Francis.

 

[flygirlqt]

Poor flygirl. I know I make you so jealous because you will always be a gear jerker and you probably . Mod Edit: I like to make dumb comments and the mods have to edit me.


Oh, and sorry about having to work for CAL. That is probably why you are so bitter. PBS got ya down again? hehehe LOL.

Bitter? Remember the most important thing..I wasn't the one turned down and not hired. I know it must really hurt being the only female ever rejected by Continental. Now that says a lot.

Hope you like where you are because you aren't going anywhere else.

I almost forgot about PBS. I don't like it but I will tell you these 19 - 20 day off lines are just killing me.

 

[flygirlqt]

I have a new hero.... heroine.

That's an all-time classic!

I have my moments!

 

[flygirlqt]

flygirlqt.....you're cracking me up!!!

She is such an easy target though.

 

[EWR_FO]

Sorry but your sounding more like a clown in each post. Near inverted..inverted...what ever you want to call it, didn't happen. Sorry to spoil your BS story. Have no idea what your experience is but your tall tales are typical of someone who is clueless about areodynamics and especially those of the B777.

I have flown a few times with one of the guys who was flying that airplane when it happened. They were close to Mount McKinley in Alaska on a clear day when it happened. I think he said it lasted about 30-45 seconds but I don't think they ever exceeded 70 degrees of bank, obviously not what you're shooting for but still manageable.

I think they had a couple flight attendants get hurt as well as some passengers.

 

[jbDC9]

Poor flygirl. I know I make you so jealous because you will always be a gear jerker and you probably...

Hahaha LOL. Stupid twat. Or would stupid skank be a better description? LOL, hahaha.

So what's up with your captainitis attitude and ego? (Assuming you really are a captain and not an 8th grade boy who likes to jerk off while posting this garbage) Numerous times in your posts you've referred to FO's as "gear jerkers", as if you look down on them. Were you never an FO yourself? Did you hire on as an Almighty Captain and never do any time in the right seat as a "gear jerker"? Right, I didn't think so. Lose the attitude already.

Also, I've said it before, but it appears I should mention it again; quit with all the LOL and hahaha crap in your posts. Your drivel is neither funny nor ironic enough to warrant their use.

Idiot.

 

[Spooky 2]

I have flown a few times with one of the guys who was flying that airplane when it happened. They were close to Mount McKinley in Alaska on a clear day when it happened. I think he said it lasted about 30-45 seconds but I don't think they ever exceeded 70 degrees of bank, obviously not what you're shooting for but still manageable.

I think they had a couple flight attendants get hurt as well as some passengers.

Pretty hard to get the 777 past 45 degrees with the AP on and obviously not anywhere near the north pole but what the heck, makes for a good story anyway.