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ATSG subsidiary has aircraft lease deal


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Wednesday, February 18, 2009

WILMINGTON — Air Transport Services Group Inc. said a subsidiary has signed an agreement to lease up to five Boeing 767-200 freighter aircraft to Amerijet International Inc., of Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
Amerijet already has exercised options under the deal with Cargo Aircraft Management Inc. to lease the first two freighters, ATSG said Wednesday, Feb. 18.
Amerijet is pursuing Federal Aviation Administration approval to start operating those two planes at mid-year. Amerijet operates cargo flights from its primary hub at Miami International Airport.
 

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Looks like if you guys cannot work things out with ABX Air managenment you can always go an work for Amerijet.
 

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Looks like if you guys cannot work things out with ABX Air managenment you can always go an work for Amerijet.
Could also be the 5 CAM has for ATI heard they are having a tough time finding work for them!
 

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Looks like if you guys cannot work things out with ABX Air managenment you can always go an work for Amerijet.
The article did not say anywhere that these are ABX aircraft. Quit trying to stir the pot!
 

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Your kidding, right? Of course there ABX aircraft. Who else has 767-200F's laying around doing nothing?

My question is, who flies these. ABx pilots or Amerijet? If it's amerijet, that's not good for the remaining 767 drivers at ABX.

And just for info, how many abx pilots have been furloughed? I heard it's a very small amount, which is confusing.
 

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Amerijet pilots will be flying these aircraft. Most likely, our management will be offering jobs to many of the ABX guys on the street.

The first two 767's are already on the ramp, and training for our pilots should begin soon. We have hired a few ABX guys to perform the training.
 

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You won't be flying them if during the soon to come TRO finds a violation of scope. STFB
 

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What tails? We were told that the remaining 3 would come when they are cut with cargo doors in TLV. The company line is that the aircraft will be pulled from group of acft not being used by DHL. We will not pull acft from any of our current charters. Obviously ABX will probably stop flying for AJT on a wet-lease.

Amerijet pilots will be flying these aircraft. Most likely, our management will be offering jobs to many of the ABX guys on the street.

The first two 767's are already on the ramp, and training for our pilots should begin soon. We have hired a few ABX guys to perform the training.
 

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Dry lease...

Your kidding, right? Of course there ABX aircraft. Who else has 767-200F's laying around doing nothing?

My question is, who flies these. ABx pilots or Amerijet? If it's amerijet, that's not good for the remaining 767 drivers at ABX.

And just for info, how many abx pilots have been furloughed? I heard it's a very small amount, which is confusing.
 

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Your kidding, right? Of course there ABX aircraft. Who else has 767-200F's laying around doing nothing?

My question is, who flies these. ABx pilots or Amerijet? If it's amerijet, that's not good for the remaining 767 drivers at ABX.

And just for info, how many abx pilots have been furloughed? I heard it's a very small amount, which is confusing.
Abx has no 767-200F's laying around! PC aircraft now that is another story.
 

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You are correct. AJT already has two with cargo doors, and the other 3 will be PC's that are modified.
What is dissappointing is that those 3 aircraft could have gone to ABX when they were modified.

Abx has no 767-200F's laying around! PC aircraft now that is another story.
 

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You are correct. AJT already has two with cargo doors, and the other 3 will be PC's that are modified.
What is dissappointing is that those 3 aircraft could have gone to ABX when they were modified.
For what? So they could be laying around? As it is we do not have any work for them, more money also means more cargo conversions. ABX put 7 aircraft to DHL, that leaves 35 or so some yet to be converted. I think there will be plenty of aircraft to go around.
 

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What tails? We were told that the remaining 3 would come when they are cut with cargo doors in TLV. The company line is that the aircraft will be pulled from group of acft not being used by DHL. We will not pull acft from any of our current charters. Obviously ABX will probably stop flying for AJT on a wet-lease.
Not sure. I have not been to the property in a while, as I am working another contract right now. This is what I get from the other pilots/management. They have stated that the planes are at cargo city. Yes, ABX will no longer be flying on a wet lease for AJI. Not sure about the other three 767s.
 

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For what? So they could be laying around? As it is we do not have any work for them, more money also means more cargo conversions. ABX put 7 aircraft to DHL, that leaves 35 or so some yet to be converted. I think there will be plenty of aircraft to go around.
As a currently furloughed ABX 767 pilot, NO there are not "plenty of aircraft to go around".

Go around to whom, to guys that are flying the same plane for less than 1/2 of what I was making. The captains at amerijet are paid less than our F/O's. So again why would you not want the planes to stay at a company that pays a livable wage for flying a plane that can generate a good profit margin, even with an adequately paid flight crew. I would think that you would want to possibly get hired at such a company considering once off probation you would double your salary......... call me crazy but I go to work to make money, not just so I can say look at the cool 20 year old glass cockpit I get to fly.

P.S. I will not even getting into the whole scope argument because that is a lost cause with our current management.
 

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As a currently furloughed ABX 767 pilot, NO there are not "plenty of aircraft to go around".

Go around to whom, to guys that are flying the same plane for less than 1/2 of what I was making. The captains at amerijet are paid less than our F/O's. So again why would you not want the planes to stay at a company that pays a livable wage for flying a plane that can generate a good profit margin, even with an adequately paid flight crew. I would think that you would want to possibly get hired at such a company considering once off probation you would double your salary......... call me crazy but I go to work to make money, not just so I can say look at the cool 20 year old glass cockpit I get to fly.

P.S. I will not even getting into the whole scope argument because that is a lost cause with our current management.
Please, don't turn this into a flame war. I know what it is like to be furloughed, so please let your emotions rest for a moment.

We at Amerijet are doing our best to obtain a contract from which we will make a livable wage. Many of the Captains have been fighting for the union for years. Please don't put us down because of a situation we were forced into. Before 9/11, the pilots at Amerijet made more money than most flying the same fleet type. In fact, it was almost DOUBLE what they are making now. Their pay cuts were forced upon them, because no union would consider them for representation. The company took the money from the pilots without a vote, consultation, or even a hint.

Do you want the planes there? No. Do I? Yes. I want my job back just as much as you want yours back. Even though we disagree on that, it does not give anyone the right to put our pilot group down for things that the pilot group could not have controlled.

As fellow Teamsters, you should be supporting our efforts!
 

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Hey Box, hold your tongue until the new CBA is done, if it ever gets that far. The people still working at ABX will be working far more hours for far less pay than what you an I were used to.

As they say...those in glass houses...
 

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ABX guys check your email for the latest response concerning this from JM
 

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As a currently furloughed ABX 767 pilot, NO there are not "plenty of aircraft to go around".

Go around to whom, to guys that are flying the same plane for less than 1/2 of what I was making. The captains at amerijet are paid less than our F/O's. So again why would you not want the planes to stay at a company that pays a livable wage for flying a plane that can generate a good profit margin, even with an adequately paid flight crew. I would think that you would want to possibly get hired at such a company considering once off probation you would double your salary......... call me crazy but I go to work to make money, not just so I can say look at the cool 20 year old glass cockpit I get to fly.

P.S. I will not even getting into the whole scope argument because that is a lost cause with our current management.
Well lets see, it takes money to convert them which we do not have, a contract with a company that needs freight moved which we do not have, how many do you see being converted with no money or work for them so you can get your job back?
 

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Well lets see, it takes money to convert them which we do not have, a contract with a company that needs freight moved which we do not have, how many do you see being converted with no money or work for them so you can get your job back?
Money, are you kidding me. Lets see, a plane worth 5 million with no door + 10 million for a door = market value of what at least 25 million, that cost 15 million to get. Yeah I can see how a banker would not want any of that action. Hell if I had a spare 10million I would call Joe myself, loan him the money and hope he defaults on the payments so I could go get my asset back.

Joe could find the money, he is jerking you and me around. I know it, if you dont know it you need to wake up. As far as my job, it is gone, and gone for good. Age 65, DHL, and our limit of a 7 year recall has assured that I will not get back to ABX, but thanks for caring.
 
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