Buzzards start to circle in ATL

[lowecur]

The attention is now starting to shift away from US Airways and PHL/CLT towards the next weakest prey.....DL. SWA is supposed to open a southern city in the fall, and it just may be ATL. AMR isn't waiting for SWA mgt to make their announcement, and has already added 5 new flts to LGA which is one of DL's big money makers. There are quite a few general use gates available in ATL, and you may see a rush from other airlines to tie them up before SWA tries to move in. GG says he will cut $1B from the expense side of DL, and the only way he can do that quickly without asking for more give backs is downsizing.

http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2005/05/16/daily36.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.airlines21may21,1,5878825.story?coll=bal-business-headlines

 

[bafanguy]

GG says he will cut $1B from the expense side of DL, and the only way he can do that quickly without asking for more give backs is downsizing.

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I was very surprised to see GG make the statement that, in his cost-reduction effort, he wasn't coming back to the employees for more concessions.

Once he's created that expectation in the employees, it'll go down REALLY hard with them if/when GG ends up going back on his word.

Even if he didn't intend to take more, he should've kept quiet until he saw whether he'd actually need to or not. Now he's made the problem worse when he DOES come back to the employee's pockets by further demoralizing an already angst-ridden workforce.

Patting them on the head at the stockholders meeting just won't repair the damage.

 

[N1kawotg]

Atl is worse than DFW, so I don't see SWA going in there anytime soon. The delays and DAL on their turf doesn't make sense since Airtran is already there. However, a southern city close to them may open. CAE is 1 hour from CLT,CHS,GSP and 2 from ATL. Taking on two legacies on their turf is not in their model.

 

[TX_DFW]

You wont see SWA in ATL

If you were in ATL yesterday im sure you would understand why SWA would never want to begin serivce there. The aiport has a ground delay program in effect on an average of two days aweek. As far as gates go we landed last night and waited 50 minutes for a gate. All gates were occupied for our carrier. It doesn't fit into the SWA buisness model. You can never do a quick turn in ATL.

 

[lowecur]

If you were in ATL yesterday im sure you would understand why SWA would never want to begin serivce there. The aiport has a ground delay program in effect on an average of two days aweek. As far as gates go we landed last night and waited 50 minutes for a gate. All gates were occupied for our carrier. It doesn't fit into the SWA buisness model. You can never do a quick turn in ATL.

Yeah, and they said that about PHL. FL is looking to reduce East Coast dependance, and DL has to do something to reduce expenses. Your gates may have not been open, but there a general usage gates that are. Don't kid yourself that DL is not next up in the crosshairs.

 

[MedFlyer]

Lowecur,

Please let us know where all these available gates are in ATL? Every gate in ATL is spoken for, except for the International Concourse E. However, WN isn't going to want those gates, because the rental fees are sky high.

WN might be interested in the south, but I don't think ATL will be in the cards...unless DL completely collapses. Why all of the sudden would WN be interested in a market that already has a hefty amount of LCC service? PHL and PIT, though hubs, were lacking LCC service, which is why they were appealing to WN.

As for AA, expect them to cancel the ATL-LGA flights in less than a year. Advanced bookings are dismal. This route has nothing to do with buzzards circling and more to do with AA trying to punish DL for Simplifares and fire a warning shot at FL.

 

[AAflyer]

We are all DOOMED I tell you..... DOOMED!!!!


AA

 

[General Lee]

The attention is now starting to shift away from US Airways and PHL/CLT towards the next weakest prey.....DL. SWA is supposed to open a southern city in the fall, and it just may be ATL. AMR isn't waiting for SWA mgt to make their announcement, and has already added 5 new flts to LGA which is one of DL's big money makers. There are quite a few general use gates available in ATL, and you may see a rush from other airlines to tie them up before SWA tries to move in. GG says he will cut $1B from the expense side of DL, and the only way he can do that quickly without asking for more give backs is downsizing.

http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2005/05/16/daily36.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.airlines21may21,1,5878825.story?coll=bal-business-headlines

No room in ATL, period. (Can you tell me where the general use gates are in ATL?) Far out E concourse a few hours a day maybe. Those gates switch around from airline to airline too. You don't really know what you are talking about again, right? Appears so. Give me some gate numbers and I will refute your claims immediately. It will be years before Airtran builds their new terminal and the new runway is available, and then DL will try to get those D gates. So AMR has added 5 RJs to the LGA--ATL market. Most businessmen hate flying on them(RJs) even on The Shuttle routes--only 40 minute flights.

As far as downsizing, probably won't happen. Reducing capacity on our side will result in immediate additions by LCCs. GG knows that. We are adding new INTL routes in reality with some domestic widebodies, so I guess there could be a slight domestic decrease on transcons. (domestic ERs are being reconfigured to INTL) We are adding ATL--RIO, JFK--EZE in the Fall. And, we have been told that we probably would decrease turn times even more in ATL since our "Operation Clockwork" has been doing so well, which would add even more flights to ATL, and that program should be added to our other hubs soon also. We could park planes but actually keep the same number of flights or increase them by cutting turn times.

You were wrong about AWA and USAir (you haven't gotten anything right about USAir) and now you are looking for the next topic. Didn't you read the about the latest analyst upgrade of DL? They think the "grimm reaper" may take another year off and revisit next year now. Every extra year gives us more time to get out krap together and try to get things worked out. But, I do have good news..... Lowecur isn't selling Gieco Car Insurance this weekend! Sleep in pal.........


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[lowecur]

No room in ATL, period. (Can you tell me where the general use gates are in ATL?) Far out E concourse a few hours a day maybe. Those gates switch around from airline to airline too. You don't really know what you are talking about again, right? Appears so. Give me some gate numbers and I will refute your claims immediately. D33,35, and 38 are on a use it or lose it deal with DL(if DL falls below 7.3 departures per day from all leased gates). D28,30,32,34, & 36 are on 30 day permit to DL. C21, 23 are on 30 day permit to ASA. D1-5, and D9 are common use gates with no lease, but the city lets the airlines use them as needed. Gate D6, D8, D10 are on a 30 day permit to CAL. D11 is on a 30 day permit to Air Canada. 28 gates in terminal E are general usage for international as well as domestic. Aren't there 8 more gates being built in E that will be ready near the end of 2006?

City controls a total of 45 gates: 17 of those are domestic gates located on Concourses C and D, and 28 are FIS gates on Concourse E, which can also be used for domestic flights. 11 of the 45 gates are 30 day Permits and 34 are Common Use.

You were wrong about AWA and USAir (you haven't gotten anything right about USAir) and now you are looking for the next topic. Hey, an analcyst has to do his thing. Didn't you read the about the latest analyst upgrade of DL? They think the "grimm reaper" may take another year off and revisit next year now. Every extra year gives us more time to get out krap together and try to get things worked out. But, I do have good news..... Lowecur isn't selling Gieco Car Insurance this weekend! Sleep in pal.........


Bye Bye--General Lee

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[XGmaninGA]

Errr, I beg to differ. AT has D1-5 and D9. Now maybe they're not on lease, but we're using them and have to no plans to stop. We would in fact like more gates on D. More on C for that matter.

 

[lowecur]

Errr, I beg to differ. AT has D1-5 and D9. I didn't insinuate that they were vacant. The City still has discretionary control. Now maybe they're not on lease, but we're using them and have to no plans to stop. We would in fact like more gates on D. More on C for that matter.

I don't really see an expansion for AirTran at ATL unless DL rolls over. I think AirTran's only significant expansion on the East Coast may be at IAD once FLYi runs out of money.

 

[General Lee]

D33,35, and 38 are on a use it or lose it deal with DL(if DL falls below 7.3 departures per day from all leased gates). D28,30,32,34, & 36 are on 30 day permit to DL. C21, 23 are on 30 day permit to ASA. D1-5, and D9 are common use gates with no lease, but the city lets the airlines use them as needed. Gate D6, D8, D10 are on a 30 day permit to CAL. D11 is on a 30 day permit to Air Canada. 28 gates in terminal E are general usage for international as well as domestic. Aren't there 8 more gates being built in E that will be ready near the end of 2006?

City controls a total of 45 gates: 17 of those are domestic gates located on Concourses C and D, and 28 are FIS gates on Concourse E, which can also be used for domestic flights. 11 of the 45 gates are 30 day Permits and 34 are Common Use.



Hmmmm. D33, D35, D38. Where the heck are those? Oh yeah, they are at the tip of D. I think we mainly use those with MD90 flights (to ORD, CVG, etc) and mostly on DCI flights in that corner, I think the ATRs. As far as losing them, I think it wouldn't be a big loss at all, and would be interesting to see someone else go in there. AT won't, there are other airlines in between them and their main C concourse and the other end of D. The other airlines have pretty much stopped anymore expansion in ATL, and Jetblue left a long time ago from the D concourse and ATL. I guess they could try to get some more with their new E190s..? The E Concourse is a floating gate facility, with all the INTL and some domestic (charters) airlines using the gates. No biggy there. There may be some more gates eventually built at E, but mainly INTL because Customs is located in that terminal.

So, if someone wants a few D concourse gates, they will probably get them. We just added 88 flights a day to our schedule in ATL on Jan 31st---and that was due to decreasing turn times. We supposedly will do that again, down to 45 minutes on some aircraft. We are expanding by using our own equipment and gates. Amazing. Why didn't we do this earlier? Good question. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Heavy Set]

The attention is now starting to shift away from US Airways and PHL/CLT towards the next weakest prey.....DL. SWA is supposed to open a southern city in the fall, and it just may be ATL. AMR isn't waiting for SWA mgt to make their announcement, and has already added 5 new flts to LGA which is one of DL's big money makers. There are quite a few general use gates available in ATL, and you may see a rush from other airlines to tie them up before SWA tries to move in. GG says he will cut $1B from the expense side of DL, and the only way he can do that quickly without asking for more give backs is downsizing.

http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2005/05/16/daily36.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.airlines21may21,1,5878825.story?coll=bal-business-headlines

Didn't you also say that UAL would be long DEAD and GONE years ago? And you think the buzzards are circling Delta? Hmmmmmm. You're way off the mark consistently. Time to put your model airplanes and terminals away and return to selling insurance...

 

[lowecur]

Didn't you also say that UAL would be long DEAD and GONE years ago? And you think the buzzards are circling Delta? Hmmmmmm. You're way off the mark consistently. Time to put your model airplanes and terminals away and return to selling insurance...

Time to cut back on the meat loaf so you can get thru the door there, slim. Actually, I have picked everyone to fail that doesn't own E-jets.

 

[lowecur]

Hmmmm. D33, D35, D38. Where the heck are those? Oh yeah, they are at the tip of D. I think we mainly use those with MD90 flights (to ORD, CVG, etc) and mostly on DCI flights in that corner, I think the ATRs. As far as losing them, I think it wouldn't be a big loss at all, and would be interesting to see someone else go in there. AT won't, there are other airlines in between them and their main C concourse and the other end of D. The other airlines have pretty much stopped anymore expansion in ATL, and Jetblue left a long time ago from the D concourse and ATL. I guess they could try to get some more with their new E190s..? The E Concourse is a floating gate facility, with all the INTL and some domestic (charters) airlines using the gates. No biggy there. There may be some more gates eventually built at E, but mainly INTL because Customs is located in that terminal.

So, if someone wants a few D concourse gates, they will probably get them. We just added 88 flights a day to our schedule in ATL on Jan 31st---and that was due to decreasing turn times. We supposedly will do that again, down to 45 minutes on some aircraft. We are expanding by using our own equipment and gates. Amazing. Why didn't we do this earlier? Good question. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


Bye Bye--General Lee

That was an immediate response?

The pt is the city has lots of discretion, and if someone wants to offer service to the area, they will find an open for business sign.

Incidently, I think it's probably 50/50 that the new city for SWA will be Ft. Myers. New terminal opening in July, and they really need to establish the market.

 

[General Lee]

That was an immediate response?

The pt is the city has lots of discretion, and if someone wants to offer service to the area, they will find an open for business sign.

Incidently, I think it's probably 50/50 that the new city for SWA will be Ft. Myers. New terminal opening in July, and they really need to establish the market.

You didn't like my immediate refute? Yeah, it may have been a bit weak, but my point is that DL isn't really missing those gates and actually expanding the flight schedule (88 new flights Jan 31st) by increasing the efficiency of what we already have. We would need new airplanes to really need those other gates, and right now we don't have the cash to do that. Those gates would also be considered "undesireable" for many other airlines because of their location and lack of growing space. AT could probably use them, though.

As far as RSW goes, yeah, I fly in there every once and a while and I have looked at that new terminal. It does look nice. Will they go in there? Maybe. Will they compete with us directly to ATL, LGA, JFK, BOS, BDL, and CVG? Maybe BDL. They will focus on BWI, ISP, PHL, and maybe BNA or MDW. That wouldn't affect us too much.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[C77MD80]

The attention is now starting to shift away from US Airways and PHL/CLT towards the next weakest prey.....DL. SWA is supposed to open a southern city in the fall, and it just may be ATL. AMR isn't waiting for SWA mgt to make their announcement, and has already added 5 new flts to LGA which is one of DL's big money makers. There are quite a few general use gates available in ATL, and you may see a rush from other airlines to tie them up before SWA tries to move in. GG says he will cut $1B from the expense side of DL, and the only way he can do that quickly without asking for more give backs is downsizing.

Mommie needs to change the password again on Lowercur's computer. You should really go out and play with the kids in the neighborhood, think about your EMB stock when you get a little older.

 

[FL717]

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I thoight we had rid this board of this idiot....... I'm still not sure why ANYBODY gives this guy "Lowecur" any more attention.......

First off.... Lowecur is NOT an insurance salesman....... Lowecur is a Pilot, and since this is an anonymous forum I won't post who this person is (though I would like to), but I know exactly who Lowecur is and who Lowecur works for...... and can only speculate the agenda he has........ (and it is all B.S)....... much like the drivel that Lowecur posted as "Joe Peeznotz" until that username got banned.

Hey "Joe Peeznotz".... errr... I mean "Lowecur"....... since you want to be the Flightinfo "know it all master of the universe"........ why don't you take off the mask...... and state your agenda up front....... rather than continue to be a big Flightinfo P*ssy...... who posts on Flightinfo as all knowing.......all consuming..... for the sole purpose of being a big nudge.

 

[Thedude]

Lowecur

Shut the hell up already

 

[Wesb737fo]

I will no longer read or respond to anything lowcur posts.........starting now.