But Dave will leave if we vote in a union....

[cowboy55]

How can you say that? Everytime Jetblue has an incident the pilot is put at a table and on the other side is his/her subordinates and 2 company attorneys. How can you call this protection?

ALPA will deliver JBLU pilots security in knowing that the best saftey legal representation money can buy will be sitting with them at that table. Leave the blue juice at the door, you guys worked hard for your tickets and deserve the best money can buy legal protecting it.

First of all you have no say in this matter. You don't even work here and know what it is like to work here. Second, I have been at 2 other ALPA carriers before, including 1 major. I have seen how ALPA works. Some airlines need ALPA. It is a good organization for those who need it. However we will have to give away alot more than we gain by voting in a union. That means we will loose quality of life to gain very little in return. I'm not for that.

As for job protection, it says in my contract that if I get furloughed the company will continue to pay my salary until my contract runs out. That's more security that I got when I was furloughed from my major ALPA carrier. ALPA didn't even try to help me get on at another ALPA carrier that was hiring. That's the job security your talking about? ALPA didn't even help me find a job at all.

As for legel representation when a pilot screws up. We had a plane land with parking brake on and the company didn't fire them. They got retrained and are back on the line. In my opinion, if your a dumbass and do stupid crap to damage an airplane and hurt customers ALPA should not protect your job. If my wife is flying on a plane, I want her to be safe. I have seen ALPA protect guys that should not be in the cockpit flying my family around. Is that the job protection your speaking of?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Still wondering exactly what that has to do with yip's post on the previous page about the various places he's worked and compensation he's worked for.

Because he will gladly accept substandard wages becuase he has his pension and medical. Not right, wrong, good or bad... it just is...

So he gets income from a military pension...so ********************ing what? Everyone chooses their own path in life, and everyone else was equally able to shape their career path to they could earn a military retirement and be in a similar position.

You are correct.....

How's that any different from someone who has a substantial bit of wealth because of years of investments, or 20 years of working a side business during their career? Perhaps people would snipe at those guys, too, because of their personal income making them not need to have a higher paying job?

valid point...

It in no way invalidates the point of his post...it instead makes the people bringing that up as if it were some factor of consequence look like a bunch of whiny bitches who are angry because they didn't make the same financially smart decisions.

What it does is... de unify a labor group....

Sorry, but I've heard the words directly out of ex-MIL guys mouths....

"yeah I know the pay is weak, but I've got my pension and I've always wanted to fly at the airlines......so I can do this"

Meanwhile you got guys that are trying to feed and house a family.

It is what it is..... however, it would be nice though if the guys with pensions would not make it so easy for management to pay less.....

I am sure you disagree...

 

[pilotyip]

Because he will gladly accept substandard wages becuase he has his pension and medical. Not right, wrong, good or bad... it just is...

Who are you to judge what someone takes a job for when they are unemployed, they have an entirely different prospective what is a good job. It is up to me to prove to my employer that I am worth more than he is presently paying me, if the employer can not figure that out then you go to the next job. What would be the difference between having a pension and a wife making 40K+ in determining what job you take?

 

[aewanabe]

Cowboy, If you're not on reserve you have very little idea about the quality of life we have already lost. Unilaterally, with the company taking the input of the PVC and then disregarding it completely. Or perhaps you haven't had the pleasure of staying in the new BUF hotel with non-functioning door locks and room invasions. Another example of C.S. taking the Hotel Committee's recommendations and using them for Toilet Paper.

And for the love of Christ, please learn the lose/loose and your/you're grammatical distinctions. It's not that hard; basic high-school level English stuff. It reflects poorly on our work group when we don't even aspire to attain basic levels of communication competence. Of course, JetBlue doesn't require a degree...

By the way, you know for a fact that the SMF crew applied the parking brake do you? Are you in our "crack" (or crackpot) Flight Safety department? Or did they accidentally grab the rudder trim? Or was there a malfunction in the system? Great to have guys like you backing your fellow airmen.

You might also like to know why the Captain of 292 (the LAX nose-gear flight) is voting for ALPA. Do you think he's a screw-up too?

 

[pilotyip]

And for the love of Christ, please learn the lose/loose and your/you're grammatical distinctions. It's not that hard; basic high-school level English stuff. It reflects poorly on our work group when we don't even aspire to attain basic levels of communication competence. Of course, JetBlue doesn't require a degree...?

Hey! that stfuf is hrad I got a copule degeres and I have still not fiugred it out. You know why? Becuase it hsa nohting ot do with fliyng an airlpane.

 

[aewanabe]

YIP, although you and I fundamentally disagree on lots, I agree the degree and flying don't have much to do with each other.

I also think you typically present yourself with decent grammar and enunciation, which makes people more likely to at least listen to your arguments. The whole excuse that grammar and presentation are not germaine to flying undermines the profession and helps portray us as narrowly-focused technocrats.

 

[Splert]

We had a plane land with parking brake on and the company didn't fire them. They got retrained and are back on the line.

Did you call the CA up and talk about the process he went though?

No!

Then you have no idea what went on. You are just reading the last page of the book.

Both crew members of 262 are even more solid ALPA supporters after the incident not less.

Holland McKnight represented their interest right up until the point it incremented the airline and then they punted. That is not a pilot advocate.

 

[Splert]

As for job protection, it says in my contract that if I get furloughed the company will continue to pay my salary until my contract runs out.

It does not say that.

Cowboy is misleading the readers of this forum.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Who are you to judge what someone takes a job for when they are unemployed, they have an entirely different prospective what is a good job. It is up to me to prove to my employer that I am worth more than he is presently paying me, if the employer can not figure that out then you go to the next job. What would be the difference between having a pension and a wife making 40K+ in determining what job you take?

Because it drives down wages for everyone else.... which I explained in my reply which you cut out of your response....

Basically what you are saying is SCAB justification. And you have no problem with ANY one coming into your worplace and telling your boss that they will work for wages less than you.....

Funny how you enjoy the socialist protections of the US govt/DoD for a steady paycheck, "no cost" healthcare, "free" education and a pension... all exclusive from market forces... and then with that pension, education and healthcare (social safety net) you gladly enter the "free market" and undercut anyone and everyone else..... uke:

All while your right wing politics crush fellow Americans in their pursuit to get the same social safety net as you... free education, a pension, and free healthcare.

No not every American could and should join the military. First off the military doesn't need 305M people. Glad you got to go bomb brown people in SE asia but it was an illegal war. (what do you think about the LBJ tapes calling Nixon treasonist for negotiation with the Vietnamese?) And that is what we have today... illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. So what you are saying is... in a free society and country such as America, you have to be willing to kill brown people in third world countries in order to get an education, healthcare and pension such as you did....

How's this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-dorlester/guaranteed-health-care-in_b_280528.html?ref=fb&src=sp

You'd better sit down, folks.
Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by your right-wing Bushies in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) healthcare for life for every Iraqi citizen.
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[pilotyip]

Because it drives down wages for everyone else.... which I explained in my reply which you cut out of your response....

Basically what you are saying is SCAB justification. And you have no problem with ANY one coming into your worplace and telling your boss that they will work for wages less than you.....Funny how you enjoy the socialist protections of the US govt/DoD for a No not every American could and should join the military. First off the military doesn't need 305M people. Glad you got to go bomb brown people in SE asia but it was an illegal war. And that is what we have today... illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. So what you are saying is... in a free society and country such as America, you have to be willing to kill brown people in third world countries in order to get an education, healthcare and pension such as you did....

Oh boy, this is funny, get this because I served in the military according to Rez, I am a SCAB, Isn't that a broad use of that word. And no we kill people in 3rd world countries to ensure we have cheap oil so the airlines can stay in busienss at their present level. The drive to ensure cheap oil makes us a slave to OPEC, makes us engage in wars to ensure we continue to have access to cheap oil, sends $XXXB's to people who do not really like and use the money to fund guys doing bad things to us. The only way to get away from this enslavement to OPEC is to stop buying their oil. Rez I bet you just loved it when the anti-war dems turned their backs on the people of S. Vietnam who we were trying to protect to ensure they could enjoy the same human rights that we do here in the US.

 

[cowboy55]

Cowboy, If you're not on reserve you have very little idea about the quality of life we have already lost. Unilaterally, with the company taking the input of the PVC and then disregarding it completely. Or perhaps you haven't had the pleasure of staying in the new BUF hotel with non-functioning door locks and room invasions. Another example of C.S. taking the Hotel Committee's recommendations and using them for Toilet Paper.

And for the love of Christ, please learn the lose/loose and your/you're grammatical distinctions. It's not that hard; basic high-school level English stuff. It reflects poorly on our work group when we don't even aspire to attain basic levels of communication competence. Of course, JetBlue doesn't require a degree...

By the way, you know for a fact that the SMF crew applied the parking brake do you? Are you in our "crack" (or crackpot) Flight Safety department? Or did they accidentally grab the rudder trim? Or was there a malfunction in the system? Great to have guys like you backing your fellow airmen.

You might also like to know why the Captain of 292 (the LAX nose-gear flight) is voting for ALPA. Do you think he's a screw-up too?

LOL. Not everyone types on their computer. My Droid sometimes messes the spelling up with auto spell.

 

[pilotyip]

standard rsponse

YIP, although you and I fundamentally disagree on lots, I agree the degree and flying don't have much to do with each other.

I also think you typically present yourself with decent grammar and enunciation, which makes people more likely to at least listen to your arguments. The whole excuse that grammar and presentation are not germaine to flying undermines the profession and helps portray us as narrowly-focused technocrats.

a Anytime any one gets their panties in a wad because of English instead of content, I try to focus on how it does not make a big difference how the message is conveyed, and if sentences run on, so what. Stick to exchanging ideas, thoughts, and experiences is what it is all about. If I wanted a critique on my writing, I would take freshman English again.

 

[cowboy55]

It does not say that.

Cowboy is misleading the readers of this forum.

Splert read your contract. Under Section 8. JOB SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!!! You have no clue what the truth is. Get your facts together before you call me a liar. Just goes to show your ALPA facts are probably inaccurate as well.

 

[Splert]

Splert read your contract. Under Section 8. JOB SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!!!.

I have. You said the PEA says the following: "it says in my contract that if I get furloughed the company will continue to pay my salary until my contract runs out"

It doesn't say anthing close to that and you are reading something into the language that isn't there and are trying to confuse the readers of the forum. You are wishful reading.

Did you ever talk to the CA of 262? Did you email him?

Don't let facts get in the way of your rants!

 

[Splert]

Cowboy,

Thanks for the PM.

Again, you can't get basics facts down plus your systems knowledge is weak and that renders your opinion worthless .

I recommend a couple of hours of CPat or read the FCOM once in a while.