Bring back Regulation

[buxflyr]

You might as well add a 30-40% job reduction system wide as redundancies and unprofitable routes are eliminated.
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Airlines are already doing this. (FUEL) ][/COLOR]


Don't forget to include the economic collapse of small to medium sized cities that lose all or most of their airline service. Businesses close up and move out. Tourism dies up.

[COLOR="red"] Medford, OR is the latest example of airlines pulling out of smaller cities. (Not profitable). [/COLOR]

Next, it should be fun to watch all those people in congress and those "airline managers" arrested for graft and racketeering as they try to "acquire" influence on capitol hill.

Did you just come to America?


And lastly. I'm sure you'll be happy as your airfares increase 20%,
Just went up $20 more today...what is that??...50% increase total since last year?
or so, overnight for an advanced purchase fare as dictated by some unelected official that would determine the "fare market value" of the ticket. Don't forget the boarding "tax" Taxes are out of control as it is.that would be levied to make sure that whatever airlines are left get "support" from the gubmint to ensure service. And, you know that money will disappear in the greater budget for some unknown reason.

Capitalism would work better if left unfettered. Let the weak die and be eaten by the rest. You can blame Pelosi, and Boxer for that as they couldn't stand KSFO getting any less busy. They're the leaders in making sure that UAL stays (stayed) aloft. Feel free to blame the Repubs too. They're just as guilty. I remember seeing Sen. Kay Bailey and the Cong. from Ennis/Waxahatchee (forgot his name), both GOP, publicly lobbying against the repeal of the Wright amendment. Wanna know why? AMR was in their pockets with campaign donations.

Go back to school and learn some economics.

Everything you just tried to use that supported your argument for de-regulation is already happening as apart of the "free-enterprise you speak about. There are some industries where a government control does work better. This is one of them. It would mean better pay, better working conditions and a solid, committed schedule. No more undercutting LCC's.

 

[HalinTexas]

Everything you just tried to use that supported your argument for de-regulation is already happening as apart of the "free-enterprise you speak about. There are some industries where a government control does work better. This is one of them. It would mean better pay, better working conditions and a solid, committed schedule. No more undercutting LCC's.

Who served Medford Ore in 1978? Who misses it? Those in Medford. Would you rather the taxpayers outside of OR pay to keep air service there?

The airline industry is not "free enterprise." That's part of my point. The "failing" have not been allowed to "fail." There is tons of regulation that's gotten in the way. There was an attempt to privatize ATC a few years ago. That was quashed rather succinctly. There are still calls to reform ATC. They're arguably understaffed, and yet they have to wait for Congress to allocate funds for "modernization."

Name one industry where government control works better? Provide a reference to an independent source, please.

It would mean better pay for whom? Those that are left? Who's gonna pay for it? The passengers that pay the higher fares, and the taxpayers that will inevitably be bailing out the "protected" class. Working conditions? How so? Are they going to wild-cat strike like the French? Whick leads me to.....

I'll give a specific example of a very regulated airline environment that failing. Europe. Where's Swiss Air? Looks what's happening to Alitalia. Air France was on the verge of insolvence, and so was KLM. They were "forced" to merge. Varig in Brazil (different continent) had hegemony over S. America. They're almost gone. Had to be partially bailed out by Americans (Mattlin-Patterson).

 

[Spicepilots]

The government has no place in bailing out any private enterprise. Bailing out failing companies just prolongs the pain. I hope no bail outs come this time around.

The government also has no place in bailing out financial institutions who make risky investments and play fast and loose with their clients' money... oops. I guess it just depends on who has friends in the White House.

 

[ROSWELL41]

The government also has no place in bailing out financial institutions who make risky investments and play fast and loose with their clients' money... oops. I guess it just depends on who has friends in the White House.

I agree...

 

[Abernathy]

What Carter left us with is a mess.....

It is simply a failure, by all accounts.... You can't attract investors to put their bucks in an industry that continuously and consistently loses money as much an airlines do. Something will have to happen or the industry will collapse.

-Here is a hint:

-Obama is not the answer-Communism never works!

Do you know what communism is

 

[Soverytired]

Do you know what communism is

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Every person shall produce to the best of one's ability in accordance with one's talent, and each person shall receive the fruits of this production in accordance with one's need, irrespective of what one has produced.

--(Obama is not a communist. But he is a socialist. And yeah, that was lifted from wiki, which was lifted from god knows where.)

 

[Soverytired]

Specifics: a complete return to the regulated system before Alfred Kahn got involved under the Carter administration. A reinstatement of the CAB, complete with fare and route authority. No new airline entrants.

Fair enough. Although de-regulation was pushed through by Sen. Edward Kennedy, so it can't be all bad.

Anyone else?

 

[go!ng for broke]

reminds me of my favorite bumber sticker---

"Sen. Edward (Ted) Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun"

 

[PCL_128]

(Obama is not a communist. But he is a socialist.

I expect such nonsense from some of the other idiots on this board, but you're smarter than this. Socialism involves government ownership and control of the means of production. Obama has never favored any such thing for any industry. He is not a socialist.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

The government has no place in bailing out any private enterprise. Bailing out failing companies just prolongs the pain. I hope no bail outs come this time around.

Unless they're irresponsible investment banks and mortgage lenders... then just bail bail bail by tanking the dollar with a nearly non-extant interest rate .

It's time we take our medicine.

 

[ShutupandFly]

I said it last year and I will say it again. Its going to be the only way to save this industry if oil continues to rise.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help!!!!! Just what we need.

 

[Abernathy]

It's easy to throw the "C" and "S" words around (Communism/Socialism), but their usage among chickensh it-scared-of-change Republicans is as hackneyed (and, needless to say, totally wrong) as throwing around the "scab" word these days.

If you are simply a conservative with Republican values and beliefs, so be it. To each their own. But don't start delving into political theory, get all McCarthyist and start accusing politicians of Marxist tendencies in order to justify it. It shows how little you really know.

 

[Soverytired]

It's easy to throw the "C" and "S" words around (Communism/Socialism), but their usage among chickensh it-scared-of-change Republicans is as hackneyed (and, needless to say, totally wrong) as throwing around the "scab" word these days.

Communism is overkill.

Socialism isn't. Just because you don't like to hear it doesn't mean it isn't true.

No one is happy with the Republicans right now, especially conservatives. But saying "CHANGE" without defining it and just "HOPING" that change is better is utterly irresponsible.

Obama is as far left as they come. And he's NEVER reached across the aisle on anything.

 

[PCL_128]

Communism is overkill.

Socialism isn't. Just because you don't like to hear it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Actually, it isn't true. Do you know what the "means of production" are? If not, then you don't understand what socialism is. Everyone loves to throw around the world "socialism" whenever they don't like a new government policy, but few people actually know what it means.

 

[flyhighordie]

Republicans must go

i so amazed that in this industry we have so many republicans. i love flying with you guys, i get to tool on you for the 3.5 days once i give you the courtesy to complain the first 2 legs about how much you hate the company and the career. hey look at the bright side we work at half the wages with no right to strike at all. we all live the dream beaten and intimidated into submission, but hey we have the right to bear arms, freedom of speech and how do i get to pay for anything for my family, oh wait, i know. voter republican for the tax cuts. do us all a favor get out of this industry, or educate yourselves a bit, these days the internet can make a scholar out of any idiot, i will save you some time in saying the following: republicans hate labor unions, and as any politician they get elected by people with money that don't care about us.
oh yeah, as long as i have to fly for a living i will vote for my grandmother with her alzenheimer before i vote for a republican, did i mentione she died 10 yrs ago.

 

[donvag]

i so amazed that in this industry we have so many republicans. i love flying with you guys, i get to tool on you for the 3.5 days once i give you the courtesy to complain the first 2 legs about how much you hate the company and the career. hey look at the bright side we work at half the wages with no right to strike at all. we all live the dream beaten and intimidated into submission, but hey we have the right to bear arms, freedom of speech and how do i get to pay for anything for my family, oh wait, i know. voter republican for the tax cuts. do us all a favor get out of this industry, or educate yourselves a bit, these days the internet can make a scholar out of any idiot, i will save you some time in saying the following: republicans hate labor unions, and as any politician they get elected by people with money that don't care about us.
oh yeah, as long as i have to fly for a living i will vote for my grandmother with her alzenheimer before i vote for a republican, did i mentione she died 10 yrs ago.

I agree with your statement and it is very funny. I too do not understand why most pilots are Republican. Its beyond me. Anyways. How come you Republicans hear scream for re-regulation. I thought you guys didnt like government involvement in things, specially private enterprises.
No flame bait. Just a thought.

 

[Soverytired]

i so amazed that in this industry we have so many republicans. i love flying with you guys, i get to tool on you for the 3.5 days once i give you the courtesy to complain the first 2 legs about how much you hate the company and the career. hey look at the bright side we work at half the wages with no right to strike at all. we all live the dream beaten and intimidated into submission, but hey we have the right to bear arms, freedom of speech and how do i get to pay for anything for my family, oh wait, i know. voter republican for the tax cuts. do us all a favor get out of this industry, or educate yourselves a bit, these days the internet can make a scholar out of any idiot, i will save you some time in saying the following: republicans hate labor unions, and as any politician they get elected by people with money that don't care about us.
oh yeah, as long as i have to fly for a living i will vote for my grandmother with her alzenheimer before i vote for a republican, did i mentione she died 10 yrs ago.

<sigh>

If you think the internet can make anyone a scholar, clearly you're not a scholar.

If you refuse to never vote for a Republican just because of the "R", you're not evaluating individual candidates, individual voting records, or current issues and proposals to deal with them.

As to the "right to strike", it is an inherent one and does not require government permission in triplicate. The fact that airline unions are too gutless to do this is a testament to the fact that things are simply not as bad as you want to think they are.

As to democrats being "labor friendly": In fact, they are "union friendly" . . . not necessarily the same thing. Obama wants to end federal oversight of the Teamster union. I submit that this is not necessarily a good thing for labor . . . but great if you're a mobster looking to take back the Teamsters. Prior to federal oversight and RICO lawsuits, the Teamsters were notoriously corrupt . . . but I guess they'll be good if Obama is in charge, eh?

In short, you are just as bad as the pilots you despise: you vote for a letter ("D"), not a platform or a candidate. The fact that you paid $10 bucks to get on FI.com and make this you're 10th post speaks VOLUMES.