Brainwashing at UND!!!

[Fuzzy_is_Hungry]

HAHAHA!

FYI: Most flight schools DO NOT force their instructors to wear these silly uniforms. Also, the instructor that does this voluntarily is a complete tool.

Learning to fly should be fun, not such a procedural hassle. We can save all the flows, SOP's, FOM, etc for later in life. Trust me, you'll do plenty of it when the time comes.


Art V,

No CFI should be wearing epaulets. Its a kick in the nuts to anyone who has actually earned them. Until you are in a 135 or 121 role, you should not be wearing an aviator shirt.

 

[NoPax]

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[avbug]

No CFI should be wearing epaulets. Its a kick in the nuts to anyone who has actually earned them. Until you are in a 135 or 121 role, you should not be wearing an aviator shirt.

Good gravy, that was arrogant. I mean ARROGANT!!!

Earned them? As in cleaned the lavs with your toothbrush and recited the pledge of allegiance until your throat ran hoarse? Or perhaps flew back and forth under powerlines until you were the only one alive to crawl to the pulpit in your classroom and accept those hard earned stripes? Get a clue, brightspark.

It's not kick in my genetalia if someone wears epaulets and they don't work for a 121 or 135 operation. I've flown various corporate, freight, and other jobs that involved wearing epaulets...I wear them now for a carrier, but SO WHAT? Are you really so arrogant as to believe that there's something about flying for an air carrier that legitimizes wearing a pilot shirt, or that makes one a real pilot? What an utterly sickening belief. Really.

You might not have noticed this, so you might wanna sit up and pay attention. A flight instructor is required to hold a commercial airman certificate. That's right, kiddo...flight instructors are real pilots, too. I don't get to instruct very often, but I relish the opportunity, and don't see instructing as doing anything any different than any other flying job...It's a working role for a working aviator, and if the company policy involves wearing a uniform, then so be it.

You really believe that the only true aviators are those working for air carriers? Crikey. You're in for a rude awakening.

 

[hydroflyer]

Does UND allow "fun" flights outside of the training schedule? How about the other big name schools like ERAU and Comair? Just curious because I thought I heard something like that and it would be a shame if it was true.

And for fun....

I've got over 5,000 epaulet free flying hours.

 

[wxman13]

As mentioned in an earlier post, is it true that UND (and maybe other 141 schools for all I know?) have a person OTHER than the instructor or pilot flying PIC making the go/no-go decision? Cuz that is just a little scary. Talk about learning how to work in the real world, I think developing the judgment to make that decision is one of the more crucial parts of learning to fly. Right up there with landing.

Peter

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Dangit! Fell for the little troll again. I need a hobby!

 

[gkrangers]

Does UND allow "fun" flights outside of the training schedule? How about the other big name schools like ERAU and Comair? Just curious because I thought I heard something like that and it would be a shame if it was true.

And for fun....

I've got over 5,000 epaulet free flying hours.

I go to ERAU, in Daytona...I'm not in the flight program, tho. I fly off campus, Part 61..not gonna subject me to all that 172 simulator crap!

As far as I know, students can rent 172s for "fun", but can get kicked off the schedule if the aircraft is needed for a "lesson".

And then there are all the rules and paperwork...so wheres the fun?

I've gotta say, theres a mixed crowd here, probably the same at all the other "aviation universities". There are dorks, and there are normal level headed college students. Some buy into the "I'm better cuz I went to ERAU", some don't. Some are good pilots, some aren't. Some benefit from the strict procedural training environment, some don't...

It goes on and on...but in my opinion, the most important thing to never lose sight of, is that learning to fly is supposed to be enjoyable....and to always have a grasp of what the real world is like outside ERAU and UND, etc... (Ok so thats two things)

Students aren't going from graduation to the airlines...and there should be more emphasis, IMO, on the "real world". It'll make for more well rounded students and less dickheads.

 

[Cutlass1287]

As mentioned in an earlier post, is it true that UND (and maybe other 141 schools for all I know?) have a person OTHER than the instructor or pilot flying PIC making the go/no-go decision? Cuz that is just a little scary. Talk about learning how to work in the real world, I think developing the judgment to make that decision is one of the more crucial parts of learning to fly. Right up there with landing.

Peter

The policy is that anyone in the flight department can cancel a flight when its deemed excessively risky. The PIC, CFI, Student, Supervisor of flight, etc... all have the power to make the NO go decision. When the weather gets worse than what is specified in our safety manual, we go "no fly." You cannot rent an aircraft at this time. Obviously, you dont have to fly just because they say it IS safe. You can cancel your own flight at any point.

And no, you cannot rent an aircraft unless it is for a specific lesson. Even if you have your private, you can't just go up and fly.

 

[100LL... Again!]

A lot of college-program CFIs have decent knowledge and skills, but they often have a stick up their arse and have a "my college's way is the only safe way" mentality.

I personally enjoy deprogramming them a little and opening up their viewpoint.

 

[Night_Flight]

FlyingToIST-

First off, I like your website www.acuwings.com. Is this the school you operate? I bet there is a lot of great flying out in that area!

Since you are a professional pilot and interviewer, I hope that you realize that each prospective employee you interview are different and bring their own traits to the interview.

That's unfortunate that you had a few bad interviews with UND graduates. I'm sure you have had bad interviews with others as well, either from FBO's or other flight schools. As a UND alum and ex "BrainWasher" flight instructor, I assure that as with anywhere, there are very sharp, and skilled pilots and then there are those who just go through the motions and get by. It's not fair to generalize and say "I cannot believe how successfuly the school brain washed them all.. "

Flying is fun! Some fun things I did while at UND was flying XC's into MSP many times, Winnepeg (Int'l expierence), Meigs, DEN...low IFR flying, acrobatic flights and providing many fun expierences for my students to learn from.

I also smirked when I read some of the things you heard. Most graduates from UND or ERAU or Purdue etc... should know most of these things. It is sad that your few pilots are unable to think outside of the box. I assume that they are newer instructors who haven't had many teaching expierences yet. Give it time and with your help, they will form their own good traits and habits.

As mentioned before, all this "procedural" stuff is designed to prepare students for the airlines, and what do you mean "Except to show off?" Not all UND grads are heading for the airlines, but it's procedures are essencial for safety. As you know, their is a vast difference between Part 61 and 141 which I am not about to get into. I've taught both and have issued certs.

Good luck with your school and I hope you have a few better apples from UND and others that help Acu Wings to grow!


Peter-

The main reason that "A person OTHER than the instructor or pilot flying PIC making the go/no-go decision" is that the FSDO and insurance companies usually give go/no-go guidelines for fianical and safety reasons. Would you let a brand new PVT pilot go on a 250nm XC with 3sm and 1000'? Sure it's legal, but what if they were your responsibility and using your aircraft? If a company would allow this, then this would be a "Just a little scary".

"Talk about learning how to work in the real world", well in the real world, airlines and corporate and most company pilots also have others make the go/no-go decision. Dispatch and your company come up with guidelines for operations-just like flight schools and FBO's.

As always, the PIC ALWAYS has the final go/no-go decision. That's one thing you have been tested on during every checkride.

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UND, ERAU, Purdue and other schools all have skilled and lacking grads, just like corporate pilots, airline pilots, flight instructors, students...
It's all up to the individual.

As my FAA checkairmen who gave me my Private said, "Your license is a ticket to continue your learning."

Happy Contrails,

-Night_Flight-

 

[cforst513]

my favorite is the ERAU kids doing 747-sized patterns. we're talking each leg is MILES long. it always causes those behind them to have to extend their downwind leg, and you know that it's not the ERAU kid who is going to lose his engine, it's the one that is on extended downwind. talk about SJS.

 

[eagle1983]

I have flown with the Civil Air Patrol and thats some fun flyin'! I mean your in a little bitty puddle jumper skyhawk flying with retired Air Force, Navy, Marine, Army, Airline, Coast Guard, 141 and 61 CFI's, Cadets in the back some cool GPS equipment and Search and Resque gear and your low, really low to the ground at night or day, good weather or bad(on occasion)! The military guys are more than happy to share stories about their life in the wild blue yonder. You stay on air bases and get your missions from the Air Force and all kinds of fun stuff! You don't get paid to do it but if I could make a career out of flying for them I would! Flight schools no matter where you go have their dumb pilots bright pilots in between pilots so you get all kinds. Spartan in Tulsa, OK has some interesting characters but hey aren't we all? Just use the school as a tool and when the CFI comes to you look at it as an opprtunity to share your knowledge and make him into a better pilot/instructor. Who knows, it might just change the world.
When I go back to flight school I am looking forward to just being in the air no matter what I'm flying or who's training me I look at every time I'm in a plane as a learning experience whether I'm the passenger or the (student)pilot. It takes all of us to make this hobbie/profession as fun and enjoyable as possible no matter where who we are.

Hey FlyingToIST-

At least those UND CFI's started in the right direction by just simply wanting to fly!