Boyd: Jetblue/Southwest headed for financial difficulties

[Clyde]

Freight Nazi,

Who are DHL's principal US contractors?

TX

My guess would be ABX Air Inc., and Astar.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

What you pax pinheads continually fail to realize is that DHL's two US contractors make as much, if not more, that UPS/FedEx pilots! LCC my A$$!

I knew that would spin you guys up. I don't believe the cargo industry is anything like the pax industry. Billions are being spent on distribution centers and other ground support. Not at all like pax. I was making a joke. Most of your ops is, IMHO, secure. But I do wonder if someone could pick up some of your flying to China.

I saw the shot, there was no danger, so I took it. Sorry guys.

Anyone know the number to truck masters?

 

[Networ-King]

3 words for you non believers..........

SUPPLY CHAIN SOLUTIONS

If you don't know what this means or why it set Brown apart from other cargo companies, then you might want to do a little reading.

Heck, nobody is safe in this business forever, but if I had my pick, brown would be the one I'd pick, then purple and then a yellow pilot suit. LOL can you imagine a yellow pilot uniform with red epaulets???? so simpsonish

 

[FN FAL]

I knew that would spin you guys up. I don't believe the cargo industry is anything like the pax industry. Billions are being spent on distribution centers and other ground support. Not at all like pax. I was making a joke. Most of your ops is, IMHO, secure. But I do wonder if someone could pick up some of your flying to China.

I saw the shot, there was no danger, so I took it. Sorry guys.

Anyone know the number to truck masters?

Boxes aren't scared to fly and when gas prices go up, people shop online more to save cash.

Plus, the boxes don't care if they ride in a single engine turboprop or an Airbus.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Heck, nobody is safe in this business forever, but if I had my pick, brown would be the one I'd pick, then purple and then a yellow pilot suit. LOL can you imagine a yellow pilot uniform with red epaulets???? so simpsonish

If I saw a yellow pilot suit I would assume you had nuclear cargo.

 

[Clyde]

I knew that would spin you guys up. I don't believe the cargo industry is anything like the pax industry. Billions are being spent on distribution centers and other ground support. Not at all like pax. I was making a joke. Most of your ops is, IMHO, secure. But I do wonder if someone could pick up some of your flying to China.

I saw the shot, there was no danger, so I took it. Sorry guys.

Anyone know the number to truck masters?

I should be a little peeved, but I can't get upset at someone with the exact same sense of humor I have!

Good job, and good shot. I would have taken it.

 

[SWA/FO]

When did we start talking about freight on the "major airline" board?

Hey Networking....you flying for UPS?

This is from Sir Richard Branson himself........

"Quality brands never go bankrupt. You won't see JetBlue (NasdaqNM:JBLU - News) go bankrupt, or Southwest (NYSE:LUV - News). The American airline industry, unlike almost any other American industry, has never taken quality on board.... The public cares, but airlines act like they don't.

The second thing is the old system of Chapter 1l -- airlines never really go bust. They screw their creditors. They screw their shareholders. You don't get rid of the dead wood. The inefficient airline lives on. In England, you're either alive or you're dead. And, when you're dead, young, efficient new airlines can rise up.

How many hospitals could have been built with the money that has been shoveled into inefficient airlines? How many oil refineries? Probably as many as we need"

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

This is from Sir Richard Branson himself........

"Quality brands never go bankrupt. You won't see JetBlue (NasdaqNM:JBLU - News) go bankrupt, or Southwest (NYSE:LUV - News). The American airline industry, unlike almost any other American industry, has never taken quality on board.... The public cares, but airlines act like they don't.

SWA/FO,

Stop smoking that stuff, it'll be the end of you.

Quality brands never go BK?? Delta, NWA, UAL, Braniff, TWA, Pan Am, Eastern?? Don't even need to go to other industries.

If you mean Chapter 7 then your assertion is more plausible. But in certain economic times a Chapter 7 is possible for a quality brand. One caveat--It has to be an industry that values quality vs. commodity.

You hear passengers complain about the lack of service and how their miles are threatened by a bankruptcy. Then they go on-line and get thrilled when they save $10 on a ticket. We may not be a commodity, but there is a short attention span out there. Some care about quality but I wonder if there are enough to make a difference. Many say they can stand any type of service for a 90 minute flight if they can just wear their jogging suit and listen to i-tunes.

 

[TonyC]

When did we start talking about freight on the "major airline" board?

There's no separate board for Global Airlines, so we had to settle for Majors.





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[Networ-King]

When did we start talking about freight on the "major airline" board?

Hey Networking....you flying for UPS?

This is from Sir Richard Branson himself........

"Quality brands never go bankrupt. You won't see JetBlue (NasdaqNM:JBLU - News) go bankrupt, or Southwest (NYSE:LUV - News). The American airline industry, unlike almost any other American industry, has never taken quality on board.... The public cares, but airlines act like they don't.

The second thing is the old system of Chapter 1l -- airlines never really go bust. They screw their creditors. They screw their shareholders. You don't get rid of the dead wood. The inefficient airline lives on. In England, you're either alive or you're dead. And, when you're dead, young, efficient new airlines can rise up.

How many hospitals could have been built with the money that has been shoveled into inefficient airlines? How many oil refineries? Probably as many as we need"

No doubt SWA FO...

What the heck have you been smoking? Shouldn't you be out flying your 6 legs a day . Easy killer, just recalling old days. Yup, at big brown and will probably be on the street by the end of the year again with this whole contract thing. Can't really get too excited about it to be honest with you.

Oh and by the way...... you guys at SWA are not immune from whats happening in this industry. When..... not if...... when the hedges run out, and if your LF's don't improve and the new wages are still in place, well...just becareful who you make fun of during this time in the industry. I don't know why Branson would say such a think.

 

[Benhuntn]

Net-Working


"Oh and by the way...... you guys at SWA are not immune from whats happening in this industry. When..... not if...... when the hedges run out, and if your LF's don't improve and the new wages are still in place, well...just becareful who you make fun of during this time in the industry."

You should have added if the headwinds don't improve, if we underinflate our tires, if we forget to come to work, if we listen to the likes of you....We shall surely fail....Woe is us the sky is falling. Why do I even get up.


Give me a break, but thanks for sharing your expertise

 

[Networ-King]

Net-Working


"Oh and by the way...... you guys at SWA are not immune from whats happening in this industry. When..... not if...... when the hedges run out, and if your LF's don't improve and the new wages are still in place, well...just becareful who you make fun of during this time in the industry."

You should have added if the headwinds don't improve, if we underinflate our tires, if we forget to come to work, if we listen to the likes of you....We shall surely fail....Woe is us the sky is falling. Why do I even get up.


Give me a break, but thanks for sharing your expertise

Your right......

and since your right, why don't you enlighten us about how much money SWA would have made this last quarter WITHOUT fuel hedges?

Go take your pills and relax skippy. All I was saying is that nobody is immune in this industry.

ps. What do you think is gonna happen when Herb kick the wild turkey bucket? Some idiot is gonna get in there and screw it up, just like the last guy that got replaced with Kelly.

 

[Benhuntn]

Net,
Just got one word for ya!

STRIKE!

 

[satpak77]

Your right......

and since your right, why don't you enlighten us about how much money SWA would have made this last quarter WITHOUT fuel hedges?

Go take your pills and relax skippy. All I was saying is that nobody is immune in this industry.

ps. What do you think is gonna happen when Herb kick the wild turkey bucket? Some idiot is gonna get in there and screw it up, just like the last guy that got replaced with Kelly.

Dude why are you so jaded at LUV. Feel the LUV. As to question #1, it just doesn't matter, as SWA indeed has fuel hedges, due to a smart business model. Asking what you asked is like asking how much profit Outback Steakhouses would have made had all their steaks tasted like crap. "Fuel hedge" is one key to the profits, amongst others.

Herb is not really running the airline anymore. He owns a sh1t load of shares, and you can bet when he speaks people listen, but day to day ops are Kelly and Barrett now. You are not the first rocket-scientist to realize that Herb is not getting any younger, and LUV management is also aware of it.

Don't expect LUV to be a non-competitor in the airline ring anytime soon.

 

[Sluggo_63]

Asking what you asked is like asking how much profit Outback Steakhouses would have made had all their steaks tasted like crap.

This made me laugh.

Papa

 

[satpak77]

dude its true

what silly question

variations

why don't you enlighten us about how FEDEX would have made this last quarter WITHOUT reliable service and quick delivery times?

why don't you enlighten us about how many adult films John Holmes would have made this last quarter WITHOUT his huge schlong?

why don't you enlighten us about how quick Qadaffi would have gone into hiding this last quarter WITHOUT F-111's bombing the sh1t out of him?

 

[SWAdude]

Some idiot is gonna get in there and screw it up, just like the last guy that got replaced with Kelly.

Parker screwed this place up?

Funny.....I didn't notice.

He was the CEO when we bought the fuel hedges.

 

[Sluggo_63]

It was laugh in a good funny way. Not a "I can't believe that he thinks this" way.

 

[Networ-King]

dude its true

what silly question

variations

why don't you enlighten us about how FEDEX would have made this last quarter WITHOUT reliable service and quick delivery times?

why don't you enlighten us about how many adult films John Holmes would have made this last quarter WITHOUT his huge schlong?

why don't you enlighten us about how quick Qadaffi would have gone into hiding this last quarter WITHOUT F-111's bombing the sh1t out of him?

FedEx: The reliable service will always be there.

Homes: Huge schlong but dead

Qadaffi: Who really cares?

Your Fuel Hedges WILL RUN OUT someday.

Man you SWA guys are getting you panties in a bunch over this huh? The truth hurts eh?

As for Kelly.... yeah Im sure he quit due to personal reasons right? Then how come Herb already had a replacement on the same day? Its because like you said, when Herb talks people listen and Kelly was Fu%king up with the employee moral while he's still around and thats when Herb stepped in to get the old SWA moral back. Its Herb that makes that place what it is and IMO when he's gone we'll all see the LUV slowly go by the way side.

and bendouchin:

Strike? Maybe

You flying a 1000 hours a year till you retire: DEFINITE enjoy

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Who has the advantage? JB or SWA

I think JB has one advantage in that they save money on cleaning airplanes and plastic bags by making the pilots take home the trash in their jacket pockets. They even consider the old newspapers a perk benefit to the aircrew and take a tax write-off for it. Unfortunately, most of these savings are offset by the increased medical costs of cult deprogramming.

SWA has to replace the carpet on its airplanes more often because of the stress of all those low rent ticket paying passengers fighting for seats in "festival seating mode". Increased rate of tire usage, and the occassional lawsuit by some prig new-hire who got incensed when the F/A's showed him their Ta..ta..sss on IOE.

so basically, the question comes down to whether you want to clean airplanes or have F/A's thrust their de'colletage in your face....


Advantage Southwest.....God Bless'em