Boyd: Jetblue/Southwest headed for financial difficulties

[FN FAL]

What you pax pinheads continually fail to realize is that DHL's two US contractors make as much, if not more, that UPS/FedEx pilots! LCC my A$$!

I've noticed a lot more contract 727 operations over at the DHL ramp lately.

 

[lowecur]

What you pax pinheads continually fail to realize is that DHL's two US contractors make as much, if not more, that UPS/FedEx pilots! LCC my A$$!

You Nazi!!!

What you fail to realize is that the expense side of the P&L is not just pilot payroll for DHL. If they lower the cost to send packages, where do you think FX/UPS are going to cut expenses?

 

[Clyde]

You Nazi!!!

What you fail to realize is that the expense side of the P&L is not just pilot payroll for DHL. If they lower the cost to send packages, where do you think FX/UPS are going to cut expenses?

Depends. If you are like Brown and pretty much have no debt, the cost of doing business is probably still much lower than at DHL.

Second, if you were a Coca-Cola drinker for many years and Pepsi lowered it's price by $0.05, would you switch sodas because of the price, regardless of which one has the better taste? How about reliability? Because you get what you pay for.

The difference in price for shipping packages among UPS/FedEx/DHL is not like shopping for ticket prices to take the family on vacation. For the average consumer to ship a package, any differences in price are not going to break the bank. They just want it to get there without any undue delays.

Until DHL establishes an effective ground-based package system (and I'm not referring to the little yellow vans), they don't have much to offer the consumer.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

You Nazi!!!

What you fail to realize is that the expense side of the P&L is not just pilot payroll for DHL. If they lower the cost to send packages, where do you think FX/UPS are going to cut expenses?

Straying far away from the original thread....

Anywhoo, DP/DHL is getting ready to incur a huge debt by buying a British based logistics company who doesn't offer any real transportation services but is big into freight forwarding and warehousing. UPS attempted to make a go of it but my cynical side thinks it was just to jack up the price for DHL thus making them incur more debt. Time will tell.

 

[robert_fla]

Freight Nazi,

Who are DHL's principal US contractors?

TX

 

[Clyde]

Freight Nazi,

Who are DHL's principal US contractors?

TX

My guess would be ABX Air Inc., and Astar.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

What you pax pinheads continually fail to realize is that DHL's two US contractors make as much, if not more, that UPS/FedEx pilots! LCC my A$$!

I knew that would spin you guys up. I don't believe the cargo industry is anything like the pax industry. Billions are being spent on distribution centers and other ground support. Not at all like pax. I was making a joke. Most of your ops is, IMHO, secure. But I do wonder if someone could pick up some of your flying to China.

I saw the shot, there was no danger, so I took it. Sorry guys.

Anyone know the number to truck masters?

 

[Networ-King]

3 words for you non believers..........

SUPPLY CHAIN SOLUTIONS

If you don't know what this means or why it set Brown apart from other cargo companies, then you might want to do a little reading.

Heck, nobody is safe in this business forever, but if I had my pick, brown would be the one I'd pick, then purple and then a yellow pilot suit. LOL can you imagine a yellow pilot uniform with red epaulets???? so simpsonish

 

[FN FAL]

I knew that would spin you guys up. I don't believe the cargo industry is anything like the pax industry. Billions are being spent on distribution centers and other ground support. Not at all like pax. I was making a joke. Most of your ops is, IMHO, secure. But I do wonder if someone could pick up some of your flying to China.

I saw the shot, there was no danger, so I took it. Sorry guys.

Anyone know the number to truck masters?

Boxes aren't scared to fly and when gas prices go up, people shop online more to save cash.

Plus, the boxes don't care if they ride in a single engine turboprop or an Airbus.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Heck, nobody is safe in this business forever, but if I had my pick, brown would be the one I'd pick, then purple and then a yellow pilot suit. LOL can you imagine a yellow pilot uniform with red epaulets???? so simpsonish

If I saw a yellow pilot suit I would assume you had nuclear cargo.

 

[Clyde]

I knew that would spin you guys up. I don't believe the cargo industry is anything like the pax industry. Billions are being spent on distribution centers and other ground support. Not at all like pax. I was making a joke. Most of your ops is, IMHO, secure. But I do wonder if someone could pick up some of your flying to China.

I saw the shot, there was no danger, so I took it. Sorry guys.

Anyone know the number to truck masters?

I should be a little peeved, but I can't get upset at someone with the exact same sense of humor I have!

Good job, and good shot. I would have taken it.

 

[SWA/FO]

When did we start talking about freight on the "major airline" board?

Hey Networking....you flying for UPS?

This is from Sir Richard Branson himself........

"Quality brands never go bankrupt. You won't see JetBlue (NasdaqNM:JBLU - News) go bankrupt, or Southwest (NYSE:LUV - News). The American airline industry, unlike almost any other American industry, has never taken quality on board.... The public cares, but airlines act like they don't.

The second thing is the old system of Chapter 1l -- airlines never really go bust. They screw their creditors. They screw their shareholders. You don't get rid of the dead wood. The inefficient airline lives on. In England, you're either alive or you're dead. And, when you're dead, young, efficient new airlines can rise up.

How many hospitals could have been built with the money that has been shoveled into inefficient airlines? How many oil refineries? Probably as many as we need"

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

This is from Sir Richard Branson himself........

"Quality brands never go bankrupt. You won't see JetBlue (NasdaqNM:JBLU - News) go bankrupt, or Southwest (NYSE:LUV - News). The American airline industry, unlike almost any other American industry, has never taken quality on board.... The public cares, but airlines act like they don't.

SWA/FO,

Stop smoking that stuff, it'll be the end of you.

Quality brands never go BK?? Delta, NWA, UAL, Braniff, TWA, Pan Am, Eastern?? Don't even need to go to other industries.

If you mean Chapter 7 then your assertion is more plausible. But in certain economic times a Chapter 7 is possible for a quality brand. One caveat--It has to be an industry that values quality vs. commodity.

You hear passengers complain about the lack of service and how their miles are threatened by a bankruptcy. Then they go on-line and get thrilled when they save $10 on a ticket. We may not be a commodity, but there is a short attention span out there. Some care about quality but I wonder if there are enough to make a difference. Many say they can stand any type of service for a 90 minute flight if they can just wear their jogging suit and listen to i-tunes.

 

[TonyC]

When did we start talking about freight on the "major airline" board?

There's no separate board for Global Airlines, so we had to settle for Majors.





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[Networ-King]

When did we start talking about freight on the "major airline" board?

Hey Networking....you flying for UPS?

This is from Sir Richard Branson himself........

"Quality brands never go bankrupt. You won't see JetBlue (NasdaqNM:JBLU - News) go bankrupt, or Southwest (NYSE:LUV - News). The American airline industry, unlike almost any other American industry, has never taken quality on board.... The public cares, but airlines act like they don't.

The second thing is the old system of Chapter 1l -- airlines never really go bust. They screw their creditors. They screw their shareholders. You don't get rid of the dead wood. The inefficient airline lives on. In England, you're either alive or you're dead. And, when you're dead, young, efficient new airlines can rise up.

How many hospitals could have been built with the money that has been shoveled into inefficient airlines? How many oil refineries? Probably as many as we need"

No doubt SWA FO...

What the heck have you been smoking? Shouldn't you be out flying your 6 legs a day . Easy killer, just recalling old days. Yup, at big brown and will probably be on the street by the end of the year again with this whole contract thing. Can't really get too excited about it to be honest with you.

Oh and by the way...... you guys at SWA are not immune from whats happening in this industry. When..... not if...... when the hedges run out, and if your LF's don't improve and the new wages are still in place, well...just becareful who you make fun of during this time in the industry. I don't know why Branson would say such a think.