Bose QC2 w/ Ufly Mic - earbuds now required by FAA

[GuppyWN]

Unless your airline requires you use a TSO'd headset then nust buy the QC2 and UFlyMike and have a blast.

No earbuds required.

Gup

 

[zasca]

Telex 750's are TSO'd I believe.

On another note, I believe all Lightspeed ANR's (zulu's?) are not TSO'd. I have an older pair, and they do not lose audio when the battery fails. However, I believe they don't pass the test because radar can interfere with them. Which equals a 1/4 second tone 0-2 times or so a month, and only when at a field with radar on site......... Or maybe my set has just been beaten to a pulp over the years.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Mike,

So why don't you make your own 'headband' for the UFM, instead of relying on only one specific headband, the QC2, which is not, according to Bose, a TSO'ed product?

Rekks.

By the way, if a company writes a requirement for a TSO'ed headset requirement, and the FAA authorizes it's inclusion in the companies FOM, then it IS regulatory in nature. Period. And just because the manufacturer of the aircraft did not include headsets as part of the certification does not override the operators requirements, as outlined in the operators' FOM.

 

[gunfyter]

I have the UFM an use it.

But I can wear the QC2 without the UFM ... and just use the speakers and hand mike.

BTW Are earplugs TSO'd?

In this configuration the QC2 is just an earplug.

 

[mblackey]

Mike,

So why don't you make your own 'headband' for the UFM, instead of relying on only one specific headband, the QC2, which is not, according to Bose, a TSO'ed product?

We're working on it, although we don't have to have Bose' permission. If you consider all the pieces and parts in a TSO'd article, there is no requirement to get each manufacturer's permission to use their part in a TSO'd article. That applies to Bose, also.

Mike

 

[NOZ]

Copied from another board:



1) From the QC2 Owners Manual:

Other needs
These headphones are not engineered to meet the needs of pilots or to meet civil aviation authority standards for aviation communications.
For that purpose, Bose offers the Aviation Headset, which features a microphone with the appropriate power and intelligibility for transmission of flight information. It is engineered to withstand the altitude and temperature conditions common in non-commercial aircraft.
For information on the Bose® Aviation Headset contact Bose Corporation by calling 1-508-766-1099 or +31(0)299-390777.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't we fly Commercial Aircraft???

 

[goodgig]

Of course they are going to say that, (dramatically as possible) They have much more profit margin in their aviation headsets.

I used to own bose speakers (live and learn), and really have very little respect for most of their products. I would never lay down a grand for their headsets, even if they were worth it.

 

[KeroseneDream]

We're working on it, although we don't have to have Bose' permission. If you consider all the pieces and parts in a TSO'd article, there is no requirement to get each manufacturer's permission to use their part in a TSO'd article. That applies to Bose, also.

Mike

Blackey if you were a congressman maybe the nation would know how much b.s. the stimulus legislation is.

 

[Cobra17]

So what about my TSO'd, battery less, painful, and piece of crap, company issued headset which failed, without warning, last week? I guess that one is ok.

 

[mblackey]

So what about my TSO'd, battery less, painful, and piece of crap, company issued headset which failed, without warning, last week? I guess that one is ok.

Cobra17,

Hope you wrote it up.

Mike

 

[rptrain]

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/aero...770_H6B56709F-3C71-3B17-8FE6-B372A64AA28C.htm

"If the part successfully passes all the tests, then the manufacturer will receive a letter from the FAA stating the part is approved per the TSO. This TSO approval letter means the part is eligible for installation in any aircraft via an STC or TC as long as the operating environment of the part in the aircraft is within the TSO criteria."

so, i assume all of you TSO'd headset disciples have the TC or STC certificate that incorporates your headset into the aircraft type design.

what's that? you don't? ooh, i'm telling!!!

 

[belchfire]

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/aero...770_H6B56709F-3C71-3B17-8FE6-B372A64AA28C.htm

"If the part successfully passes all the tests, then the manufacturer will receive a letter from the FAA stating the part is approved per the TSO. This TSO approval letter means the part is eligible for installation in any aircraft via an STC or TC as long as the operating environment of the part in the aircraft is within the TSO criteria."

so, i assume all of you TSO'd headset disciples have the TC or STC certificate that incorporates your headset into the aircraft type design.

what's that? you don't? ooh, i'm telling!!!

GOM states that while the company provides headsets (crappy Telex headsets) the use of personal headsets is allowed if they meet TSO-92 or whatever the hell it is...

Since these headsets are used in-not "installed" in the aircraft and the mic power and impedance and headphone impedance are all aircraft standard you can do it the same way you can get away with plugging in a portable intercom or GPS reciever in a light airplane.

This is in stark contrast to plugging in your silly computer/MP-3 player headphones into the aircraft...

 

[mblackey]

GOM states that while the company provides headsets (crappy Telex headsets) the use of personal headsets is allowed if they meet TSO-92 or whatever the hell it is...

Since these headsets are used in-not "installed" in the aircraft and the mic power and impedance and headphone impedance are all aircraft standard you can do it the same way you can get away with plugging in a portable intercom or GPS reciever in a light airplane.

This is in stark contrast to plugging in your silly computer/MP-3 player headphones into the aircraft...

Belchfire,

Your statement would be true except there is no such thing as "aircraft standard" since DO-214 and DO-160, which govern TSO standards, are full of "standards" but there is no guidance about which ones to use for a TSO Authorization. A manufacturer can choose a "standard" fail to meet it and STILL get a TSO as long as the failed standard is listed as a "limitation" in the user guide for the TSO'd article.

Second, the "silly computer/MP-3 player headphones" you refer to are in compliance with the same TSO standards as the Bose X. They were tested under the same conditions and to the same standards at Sun Laboratories, a very respected facility. Results are on file with the FAA.

The statement by any organization or person that a headset "must meet TSO standards" shows that organization or person doesn't know what they're talking about. There are 23 environmental categories under DO-160 and DO-214 is an inch thick and full of "could" "should consider" "might" and varying test methods. There is NO such thing as "meets TSO standards..." in reality.