boo hoo west children

[Bringupthebird]

The east* has USAPA as their mouthpiece and can take out USA Today ads, post on a website (without being subpoenaed) and spew their cockeyed view of reality through a number of outlets.

The west has only a handful of webboards to educate those who are interested on the issues involved. Hopefully folks will learn from the myriad mistakes that have been made during this merger and avoid them.

* Lunatic fringe, not representitive of a great number of east pilots who would prefer to alter the course but will be charged with mutiny by Bradford if they dare speak up.

 

[Ocity]

The east* has USAPA as their mouthpiece and can take out USA Today ads, post on a website (without being subpoenaed) and spew their cockeyed view of reality through a number of outlets.

The west has only a handful of webboards to educate those who are interested on the issues involved. Hopefully folks will learn from the myriad mistakes that have been made during this merger and avoid them.

* Lunatic fringe, not representitive of a great number of east pilots who would prefer to alter the course but will be charged with mutiny by Bradford if they dare speak up.

This is exactly why USAPA does not have any webboards or any other outlet for their membership to communicate with the outside world. USAPA wants 100% "union" controlled rhetoric with no chance of public disention. Kinda like China shuting down the internet. USAPA is setting themselves up for a meteoric fall by blindly charging down this path with arrogance and impunity.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Westies jumped on this thread like a fly on sh!t. Good post.

I love when they whine. Nic Nic Nic Nic we want Nic. Binding, Binding, MCdoosh,McDoosh. Gulfstream, PFT
Loser, Idiots.

Good job Westies. without you, I would not even be on this board. Keep up the good work and keep posting.

Thanks
M

And to think, for the lack of one lousy condom, we the board readers, have to suffer this pricks continued useless drivel!

 

[MCDU]

Hey Dope,

How about some scope for your mouth. Thats alot crap coming out that trap of yours. Keep up the good work.

Do not forget

No Nic for you

M

 

[MK82Man]

Wicked and the other dude I don't respond to anymore

Thanks for again demonstrating to all professional pilots on the Hangar the intelligence level of the East side of the house and USAPA's commitment to binding arbitration.

I guess ya'll are just down to ridiculous posts now that the West has filed suit to force the implementation of the Nic Award. Hope USAPA has a big bank account of your dues money in case the judge awards damages to West pilots being furloughed out of seniority while USAPA stands quietly by ... some fair representation indeed.

 

[MXAV8R]

Hey Dope,

How about some scope for your mouth. Thats alot crap coming out that trap of yours. Keep up the good work.

Do not forget

No Nic for you

M

Wow you really are a worthless human. The best part of you ran down yo' mama's leg...

 

[FDJ2]

Did he have longevity...?? Absolutley, without a doubt. Now follow along here if you will and try to focus for a minute. Ready ..???? Here comes the hard question. Brace youself . Did he have Seniority ??? Here ...let me help you with that answer ....you seem to be struggling with it Not by a long shot. Even though he got hired at USAIR in 1987 and had longevity, unfortunatly all it bought him was a very jr reserve position on his old seniority list, the same position he holds today on the new list. That he got hired in 1987 doesn't make a difference because his USAir longevity bought him a very low position on his USAir senority list.
PHXFLYR

Another way of looking at is that the value of a Euro and Peso are not determined by the year they were minted, but by what they can buy you.

In this case a 1987 AAA position buys you near the bottom of the AAA active list.

 

[Flying the Line]

Whats the difference between a condom and a USAir (East) cockpit?

 

[Snakum]

Thanks for again demonstrating to all professional pilots on the Hangar the intelligence level of the East side of the house and USAPA's commitment to binding arbitration.

While not a professional pilot (only a part timer), I would have to say this statement is largely true. What I've come away with from the few posts I've read on this subject ...

- USAir was on it's last legs and had furloughed all the way back to the mid or late 80s.

- AWA was a relatively healthy airline and had been hiring for quite some time due to growth.

- Someone bought someone else and during merger talks all hell broke loose. USAir pilots wanted straight date-of-hire, AWA wanted a logical integration based on career expectations and considering the relative health of their airline. Both sides agreed to binding arbitration.

- Arbitrator came up with an integration plan that considered career expectations of each airline and ensured everyone was equally screwed.

- USAir decided they really didn't want binding arbitration after all, decertified their own union, refused to abide by a (legal?) binding agreement, and have been crying, sueing, and slinging $h!t ever since.

Is that about it? I don't fly for the airlines and only rarely read the Majors forum, but this is what I got so far. So yes, I'd have to say USAir pilots come off look'n kinda' bad in all this. And all this nonsense has even reached the fare paying public. The situation is so well known, in fact, that even nonaviation-type passengers have heard bits and pieces of it and one remarked on a recent US Express flight outa CLT that ... "I hope they don't start fighting in the cockpit and crash this d@mn thing!"

(The passenger didn't know that the regional jet wasn't USAir mainline.)

That's getting bad.

 

[JAB31]

How long until all new hires are furloughed anyway ? I thought a bunch were already furloughed and there are not that many off the street new hires still workin..

 

[PHXFLYR]

Another way of looking at is that the value of a Euro and Peso are not determined by the year they were minted, but by what they can buy you.

In this case a 1987 AAA position buys you near the bottom of the AAA active list.

Exactly,my friend. This entire issue is nothing more than a group of pilots (ie. USAir east ) refusing to realize the difference between longevity and seniority. And no better example can be found than the one I just posted about an old college buddy of mine who got hired there in 1987. Stops 'em dead in their tracks everytime ...


PHXFLYR

 

[michael707767]

Another way of looking at is that the value of a Euro and Peso are not determined by the year they were minted, but by what they can buy you.

Excellent point. And the value of a Euro relative to a Peso is constantly changing, depending on the fortunes, or mis-fortunes, of the countries involved. But if I want to convert my Euro to a Peso, I am going to have to accept the current exchange rate.

The East pilots need to accept that the value of a year of service at USAir had definately been on the decline, while the value of a year of service at AWA was climbing. What happened in the past, or may have happened in the future is largely irrelevant.

 

[Ratherbsurfing]

Deleted. Like Mom always said, "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all."
Good points though the Easties will never admit it.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Hey Dope,

How about some scope for your mouth. Thats alot crap coming out that trap of yours. Keep up the good work.

Do not forget

No Nic for you

M

This coming from some little child hiding behind the safety of his computer keyboard!
Isn't it about time for a diaper change?

 

[johnnyb]

why was it fair in your minds for west guys to gain 15+ years seniority in some cases over east pilots but the world is about to end because an east new hire will get a paycheck for 2-3 whole months after your mighty 4 year career at AWA is on the street?

We don't need this.

 

[m80drvr]

It looks like MCdoosh's parents had another illegitimate child! Did you graduate from GIA too?

MCdoooosh.......Ha just shot coffee out my nose. That made my day thanks.

MCdooosh.....that's funny,...and I know funny!

 

[dirkdigler]

You guys don't get it - both of you, East and West. Fair has nothing to do with it. Longevity has nothing to do with it. It simply is. Untill we as a colective whole realize this, the opportunity cost is only getting bigger. Has anyone thought about opportunity cost?? Talk about loss of situational awareness, folks!!!!

 

[Bringupthebird]

Unfortunately Dirk, the determination of fair and the value of longevity have already been determined and are tied up in the Nicolau decision. USAPA has shifted the balance of power such that the only way that the only legally determined solution can be implemented is through the courts.

Common sense should have prevailed at the negotiation stage and a fair compromise hammered out, but again the balance of power was on the side of unreasonableness (and aided by a weak ALPA President myopically focused on appeasement as the only strategy) and we are stuck until the courts compel the legally agreed-to solution to be implemented. After that, who knows, but we have to start from what has been established during prior agreement and work from there.

It's obvious that tyranny isn't working.

 

[nosehair]

why was it fair in your minds for west guys to gain 15+ years seniority

Hey, you airline punk, and all you airline drama queens, WTF are you doing posing your airline soap opra here on the GENERAL AVIATION DISCUSSION forum.

You're ruining my serinity.