Boeing 737 until 2030?

[BILL LUMBERG]

Boeing comes out today and says they are developing a new Narrowbody not due to fly until 2030.

So much for American ingenuity.....We keep stretching and tweaking a turd for over 50 years and then have another 15 to play with. The MAX is old technology with another bunch of small changes but we are still stuck with the same type rating so don't expect much change....

Boeing wonders why Airbus does better?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

A321LR is finally making Boeing rethink this plan? Glad to see they're hurrying to catch up.

 

[HowardBorden]

Boeing wonders why Airbus does better?

Boeing & Airbus had record-setting delivery figures in 2013, with 648 and 626 respectively. Not a big margin between the two, but again it is the narrow body figures that dominate production levels.

Boeing put out 208 wide body aircraft compared to Airbus's 133, quite a major difference. The 767 and 747 round out the delivery books with 21 & 24 respectively. Though Boeing's win in this situation may look narrow overall, when you break down those figures there seems a very large gap in the wide body side of things.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/02/2013-boeing-vs-airbus-won/

Boeing 2014 Orders Nearly Double Airbus

In the battle between Airbus Group and Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA) for dominance in the commercial aircraft space, every skirmish matters. Airbus reported last week that it has taken net orders for a total of 203 new aircraft in the first five months of 2014. Boeing's order book for the first five months of the year totals 394.

http://247wallst.com/aerospace-defense/2014/06/08/boeing-2014-orders-nearly-double-airbus/

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[jonjuan]

Boeing wonders why Airbus does better?

They do? Man, they need to acquire your services ASAP to straighten out their strategy! You sound like an hourly worker. Are you upset over last nights election returns?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Time to buy bombardier stock.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

They do? Man, they need to acquire your services ASAP to straighten out their strategy! You sound like an hourly worker. Are you upset over last nights election returns?

Jon pull your flametrain over....unless you are a management puke on a salary you are about as blue collar as they come.

Not upset one bit.....but you seem to have some inadequacies you might need addressing though

 

[Ex737Driver]

Boeing comes out today and says they are developing a new Narrowbody not due to fly until 2030.

So much for American ingenuity.....We keep stretching and tweaking a turd for over 50 years and then have another 15 to play with. The MAX is old technology with another bunch of small changes but we are still stuck with the same type rating so don't expect much change....

Boeing wonders why Airbus does better?

Who has to have a program to extend the service life of the airframe lest it be sold and melted for to the Chinese for Christmas toys?

 

[Ex737Driver]

A321LR is finally making Boeing rethink this plan? Glad to see they're hurrying to catch up.

Yes they have. Should have never shut down the 757 line. Problem is they 312LR gives how much more range? 100NM? GAFB. You still can't fill it and go across the pond westbound.

 

[dicko]

Yes they have. Should have never shut down the 757 line. Problem is they 312LR gives how much more range? 100NM? GAFB. You still can't fill it and go across the pond westbound.

I think you may have misunderstood.

The '100NM further' is not in comparison to the 321NEO. It's 100NM further than the 757W. Given your logic above, you couldn't fill the 757 and go across the pond westbound. Which isn't the case.

 

[johnsonrod]

Time to buy bombardier stock.

I agree - by 2030 Bombardier will have the CS100, CS300 and probably the rumored CS500 in full operation and taking market share.

I actually blame Airbus because the NEO forced Boeing's hand and the weak MAX compromise. At least the overhead panel on the MAX will be the same as the one on the NG for the Southwest pilots...

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Dont forget to switch on the pitot heat!

Maybe the clocks will come only adjustable to Herb (central) time.

Thanks Herb Turds!!

 

[StopNTSing]

Bill, if you don't like the Guppy (wretched overhead panel and all), then just exercise some of that wonderful Delta CHOICE that GL is always spouting off about, and simply don't bid it? Problem solved!

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Dont forget to switch on the pitot heat!

Maybe the clocks will come only adjustable to Herb (central) time.

Thanks Herb Turds!!

Actually, the latest block of 73's have auto probe heat, and DAL is refitting the fleet that doesn't have it.

As antiquated, busy, silly as the overhead panel is - it's actually a simple beast. There's not much logic to learn, it's either ON and doing it, OFF or broken. Just two wishes, an EICAS and cabin temperature control that's not satanic. At least there's little rubber nubbin's on the switches to save my bald spot from injury.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

EICAS would be great. Especially with single/triple chime. And get rid of the recall light/Easter egg hunt. I'd also like an aural alert if it switches from VNAV PATH to VNAV SPEED even if it's just a friendly little chime.

As long as I'm making a wish list, I'd also like some bus switching logic. When you start an engine for example, it should automatically take the APU gen off line and put the engine generator online. When you shut down the engine, the opposite should occur (I think it does on the NG, not positive though).

Same with the pneumatics. When I select "start" it should automatically deselect the packs and open the isolation valve. Once an engine bleed is online, that bleed source should be isolated automatically. Shouldn't require so much intervention.

Here's one that would be cool if I were a genius and could invent it and sell it to the airlines...

How about a three position cockpit door. Either Open, Closed, or Lavatory. In the Hinge the door on the right side (left side looking aft) and put a second latch on the wall just aft of the lavatory door, so swinging it that way would create a secure "vestibule" between flight deck and lav.

 

[johnsonrod]

EICAS would be great. Especially with single/triple chime. And get rid of the recall light/Easter egg hunt. I'd also like an aural alert if it switches from VNAV PATH to VNAV SPEED even if it's just a friendly little chime.

As long as I'm making a wish list, I'd also like some bus switching logic. When you start an engine for example, it should automatically take the APU gen off line and put the engine generator online. When you shut down the engine, the opposite should occur (I think it does on the NG, not positive though).

Same with the pneumatics. When I select "start" it should automatically deselect the packs and open the isolation valve. Once an engine bleed is online, that bleed source should be isolated automatically. Shouldn't require so much intervention.

Here's one that would be cool if I were a genius and could invent it and sell it to the airlines...

How about a three position cockpit door. Either Open, Closed, or Lavatory. In the Hinge the door on the right side (left side looking aft) and put a second latch on the wall just aft of the lavatory door, so swinging it that way would create a secure "vestibule" between flight deck and lav.

I agree. Why can't all new cockpits by 2030 look similar to this (or better):

http://honeywell.com/News/Pages/New...-Help-Gulfstreams-Newest-Aircraft-Take-F.aspx

This over reliance on cockpit commonality is ridiculous since most new technologies "should" be easier to operate going forward. It is only 2014 and we are working on the above technologies... If we now have cars that can drive themselves, airplanes in 2030 should be able to do most of the work and we will all be computer monitors...........

 

[FurloughedAgain]

From home in our pajamas!

 

[densoo]

EICAS would be great. Especially with single/triple chime. And get rid of the recall light/Easter egg hunt. I'd also like an aural alert if it switches from VNAV PATH to VNAV SPEED even if it's just a friendly little chime.

As long as I'm making a wish list, I'd also like some bus switching logic. When you start an engine for example, it should automatically take the APU gen off line and put the engine generator online. When you shut down the engine, the opposite should occur (I think it does on the NG, not positive though).

Same with the pneumatics. When I select "start" it should automatically deselect the packs and open the isolation valve. Once an engine bleed is online, that bleed source should be isolated automatically. Shouldn't require so much intervention.

Here's one that would be cool if I were a genius and could invent it and sell it to the airlines...

How about a three position cockpit door. Either Open, Closed, or Lavatory. In the Hinge the door on the right side (left side looking aft) and put a second latch on the wall just aft of the lavatory door, so swinging it that way would create a secure "vestibule" between flight deck and lav.

I'd be happy if they'd just put a thermostat on the thing aft of the cockpit door.

 

[densoo]

In the 1980s I flew 707s that were built in 1950s. Air Force is still flying them. At least the 737s we're flying are new.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I'd be happy if they'd just put a thermostat on the thing aft of the cockpit door.

Home Depot, $10 thermostat, Velcro mount.

Bet you $5 the calls stop if they have a knob to turn.

 

[LearLove]

Maybe the clocks will come only adjustable to Herb (central) time.

Wait - know how to adjust the clock?