Blanket Party!

[dicko]

Would that be the "Pacific Fleet Commander"?

I hope the Judge likes Yoga. If it's ok to do a yoga headstand in front of a plane load of passengers, then surely the courtroom is perfect ..... :nuts:

 

[humveedriver]

and acting dysfunctional in many ways-.

Sadly... it was not an act.

 

[canyonblue]

Todd O not gonna be feeling any LUV anytime soon.

80. On the pilot web forum, read by hundreds of AirTran pilots, Ortscheid wrote, inexplicably, "There isn't the slightest chance in hell that an arbitrator would award anything less than date of hire." He also wrote, "Not going to arbitration is crazy."

WTF?

 

[humveedriver]

Dude we all felt that way. We just wanted the whole thing to go straight to arbitration, to try to get the best possible seniority possible. Water under the bridge. You can't fault our union people for trying to get us the best possible seniority. Should the first deal been put out to a vote. In retrospect yes. But only because we now realize how likely it would have been not to pass on your side.

 

[ATLplt]

80. On the pilot web forum, read by hundreds of AirTran pilots, Ortscheid wrote, inexplicably, "There isn't the slightest chance in hell that an arbitrator would award anything less than date of hire." He also wrote, "Not going to arbitration is crazy."

WTF?

Don't single out Todd. I'm pretty sure we all felt the same way, at one point, on the AT side. Why are you quoting things off of a private forum you have zero rights of access to anyway? How many pprune quotes end up on here from AT guys?

 

[ASADFW7]

On e SWAPA side there weren't public discussions on the forum. Many of the discussions that could be quoted could be out of context from a date timeline. Try to keep that in mind quotes can always be misused. As for what is going on here at flightinfo we are just discussing the topic not conducting the discovery process.

 

[GlobeIII]

. Why are you quoting things off of a private forum you have zero rights of access to anyway? How many pprune quotes end up on here from AT guys?

Not just a quote from a private forum now. It is now filed in a public legal document. That is why the #80 is at the beginning of the quote. Take it up with your own guys. Haha!

 

[humveedriver]

The more you talk to AT folks ( in person), the more you will see how the different offers affected our folks differently. The only constant was getting a decent SLI. When it became apparent (at much too late a time) that wasn't going to happen. A giant cluster f@*k ensued. People demanding to no about this threat and that threat. When where these threats known. The LEC offers were getting it hard from both ends, from the don't back down crowd and the Vote yes crowd. The logic was if you wanted the deal to be out for a vote, you obviously were going to vote yes, and you earned the colorful praise of being a "surrender monkey". Something that should have been celebrated "bought by SWA", turned into the nastiest bit of infighting at AirTran since 1996 or so. If I was a SWA guy, I wouldn't poke too hard into that bit of family business. Just say welcome aboard and help us put this past us.

 

[scoreboardII]

You should see what happened on this side.

It's over, lets move forward, welcome aboard.

 

[328dude]

Their attorney is Michael Haber. The same attorney that the RJDC wankers used. Knowing that, all of the lies, misrepresentations, misspellings, bad grammar, and everything else makes perfect sense.

Actually, these guys are filing as pro se or acting as their own attorneys. This makes more sense for the crudeness of the complaint.

Popcorn?

 

[PCL_128]

Actually, these guys are filing as pro se or acting as their own attorneys. This makes more sense for the crudeness of the complaint.

Popcorn?

No, they filed pro se, but they most certainly have an attorney, and it's Michael Haber. You probably won't see any documents with his name on them until he files amendments with new plaintiffs or counts later on. If you read the complaint, and how it's structured, it screams Haber right from the get go. And now it's confirmed that Haber is their attorney, because they have a web site up soliciting money that names him as their attorney. He wants $500 up front, plus $50 per month ongoing, to join the suit.

 

[Andy]

Geez, with all of the long winded debates on this issue, it comes as no surprise that they're being sued for not putting it to a membership vote. I argued that was a major screwup by AT's MEC. However, I never envisioned them getting sued for not putting it to a membership vote.
I sincerely hope that they're also suing the atty who was advising AT's MEC (Dan Katz of Katz and Ranzman); he's the one who gave poor legal advice to AT's MEC. He ought to be strung up by his family jewels.

 

[PCL_128]

I sincerely hope that they're also suing the atty who was advising AT's MEC (Dan Katz of Katz and Ranzman); he's the one who gave poor legal advice to AT's MEC. He ought to be strung up by his family jewels.

Fact of the matter is, you don't have the slightest clue what Mr. Katz advised the ATN MEC.

 

[328dude]

Todd:
I just find it odd if he is their attorney, why did he not file the motion instead of pro se. Procedurally, I can't see the advantage.

 

[Andy]

Fact of the matter is, you don't have the slightest clue what Mr. Katz advised the ATN MEC.

IF Katz advised sending AIP1 out for a membership vote, then it's entirely on the AT MEC. Good luck to ya; you're going to need it.

 

[Andy]

Todd:
I just find it odd if he is their attorney, why did he not file the motion instead of pro se. Procedurally, I can't see the advantage.

I imagine they're going this route to get the ball rolling while not initially spending a ton of money on legal services.

 

[outerlimits]

I imagine they're going this route to get the ball rolling while not initially spending a ton of money on legal services.

WOW

I hope that is not the case. That would be showing your hand before the game even starts.

If the case is lost, the other side had the right to counter sue for damages and cost incurred. That would end up being a lot of money to those on the law suit.