Big cuts at Delta

[General Lee]

Jetblue320,


Do you want EWR? I would gladly give that one up. And, I hope you guys enjoy LGA as much as we do! Take care.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

In the words of Herb Kellerher, " Chap 11 is the health spa for airlines"

 

[jetblue320]

Jetblue320,


Do you want EWR? I would gladly give that one up! And, I hope you guys enjoy LGA as much as we do! Take care.


Bye Bye--General Lee

EWR??? Not me Mate! And I will avoid LGA like the plague for sure. But, I think the LGA flights will work well for us financially, but not operationally. Like you always say, we will see and it will be interesting.

Seriously, I hope EWR never comes into the picture. We have launched a lot of missiles already, don't need to shoot any more for a while for sure.

Take care man.

 

[AV8700]

He never said which groups, and the pilots are currently under staffed due to all of the retirements since May. We do not know how many will or would be cut, and that still has to be looked at and bargained at the table with our union.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General, not intended as flamebait, but I think you will see more pilots going. Do you think the Comair Mec just sent the letter on hiring with out resigning seniority out of the blue?
DFW and SLC will probably be gone as mainline hubs with flights transferered to connection carriers on many more CR7's if not larger equipment. Gate agents and ramp employees let go or offered employment at a connection carrier for much less pay and benefits. 5000 mainline pilots flying only wide body aircraft internationally and between a few major domestic markets. All to repeat again in a few years when whatever connection carrier has employees with to much seniority.

 

[lowecur]

EWR??? Not me Mate! Is that a little of your Aussie heritage slipping in there? I remember flying B6 when they first started and remember a CA with an Aussie accent. Of course with my ear, it could have been an RSA accent. Hope it was you on that flight, as you are quite a nice person. I stayed on board the flight from FLL to JFK as it was continuing to my destination of SYR, and was shocked to see you cleaning out the pouches behind the seats. It gave me a whole new perspective on being a team player.

By the way, you people have to learn to say the teen numbers properly. When I watch golf on the weekends, I love to hear the Aussie commentators say the "thirdeenth hole, or the eighdeenth hole."

I see fins has been on the thread for a while. He must be putting together the GL rebuttal.....

 

[~~~^~~~]

And FDJ2 is correct, Malone did state that, and it will be interesting to watch what he does in the next few days....Bye Bye--General Lee

General:

Malone did not say what they would be flying. The Comair resolution is another part of the puzzle. ALPA has proposed mainline rates substantially less than current DCI rates by giving up longevity ( examples abound - Mid Atlantic for one ). A Delta furloughee working at first year Captain rates would seriously undercut ASA and Comair's current compensation for flying the RJ's. After all, most of our CRJ700 Captains have more than 10 years of seniority - Delta would love to get the flying done for first year pay while providing political cover for your MEC.

A dollar is a dollar. Simultaneously ALPA National can not afford to allow DCI members to out vote current apartied leadership.

If the RJDC is smart, they have had their request for injunctive relief written for about as long as Delta has had bankruptcy attorneys on retainer and has been refining their motion as this perfect storm continues to brew.

~~~^~~~

 

[General Lee]

Fins,


Our Vice Chair in charge of Communications stated today that the Dalpa MEC did NOT have any deal with the Comair MEC about the helping of furloughs, and that it was out of their own "good will." Malone would have a lot of explaining to do, and he and Wycoff (the lead negotiator) said in an ATL LEC meeting that the recalls were designed to last, even through a possible Chap 11 senario. We will see if they live up to that one. Grinstein seems to be a "negotiating" type of guy, and I bet Malone would include any current furloughs or possible future ones into a new deal for 100 seaters or maybe even new 70 seaters. If not, he would have "heck" to pay, and their would be a revolt. Don't count that out. And, none of our furloughs would start at 1st year Capt pay, since they have accrued longevity as furloughs.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[climbhappy]

dumb question: any ATSB money left?

Could delta borrow some cash from our "out of control, free spending" government?

secondly, isn't it the truth that delta pilots would never risk losing their pensions and therefore would cut a deal in the moment of truth to preserve.
it, for one would not want to lose something i worked hard for.

having said that, isn't ALPA going to be what the UAW was during the meltdown of the eighties in the auto industry. in other words, useless.

 

[jetblue320]

Is that a little of your Aussie heritage slipping in there? I remember flying B6 when they first started and remember a CA with an Aussie accent. Of course with my ear, it could have been an RSA accent. Hope it was you on that flight, as you are quite a nice person. I stayed on board the flight from FLL to JFK as it was continuing to my destination of SYR, and was shocked to see you cleaning out the pouches behind the seats. It gave me a whole new perspective on being a team player.

By the way, you people have to learn to say the teen numbers properly. When I watch golf on the weekends, I love to hear the Aussie commentators say the "thirdeenth hole, or the eighdeenth hole [/QUOTE]

Lowercur,

No, that is not me, but I know who you are talking about. We have 2 Kiwi's and one Aussie in the upper seniority ranks. In fact, our #1 pilot is from New Zealand, and says "ahhdeen" (18).

And I know you have been told this, but the way you reply to threads makes it tougher to quote you. You have to cut and paste your input. Maybe you like it that way, I don't know.

C yaaa

 

[USNFDX]

I heard Delta was trying to sell Fedex 109 757's??????????

 

[jetblue320]

I heard Delta was trying to sell Fedex 109 757's??????????

That would make for one interesting color scheme.....

Purple, orange, and notes of lime green.

Sorry General, I couldn't resist!

C yaaa

 

[michael707767]

If the RJDC is smart, they have had their request for injunctive relief written for about as long as Delta has had bankruptcy attorneys on retainer and has been refining their motion as this perfect storm continues to brew.

~~~^~~~

Injunctive relief from what? Name one section of your contract which would be violated if the Delta pilots flew an RJ70? Even if our scope allowed the unlimited 70 seaters you want, there would still be nothing in either contract preventing Delta from operating 70 seaters and the Delta pilots from flying them. No judge in the world would provide relief from something which does not violate your contract.

 

[michael707767]

And, none of our furloughs would start at 1st year Capt pay, since they have accrued longevity as furloughs.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Gen,
anything can be negotiated. Do you think we would hesitate to negotiate a deal for first year pay to secure a new 100 seater? Look back to express, this MEC has a history of screwing the junior guys to protect the senior.
Michael

 

[General Lee]

michael,

That is true.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DDpaysoff]

Anybody else hear the rumor that CMR/ASA will fly the 737-200's and mainline will fly a bombardier product? I think this rumor started at a poker table at a mechanics house.

 

[MedFlyer]

Here's one part of the plan and it does involve cuts (although not of the pay/job kind):

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040819/nyth046_1.html

This is a good start....maybe people in CVG will actually fly out of CVG now.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Injunctive relief from what? .... No judge in the world would provide relief from something which does not violate your contract.

The RJDC law suit was timed within the Statute of Limitations for harm generally caused by changes to the 96 contract language (after operational control of ASA and Comair was acquired by Delta). No Judge in the world would uphold a contract governing the pay and working conditions of ALPA members without their participation and ratification. Further, ALPA goes outside its employee anti trust exemption when it begins to specify the tools and methods of production. C2K scope is not effective and not enforceable, if challenged. (Just in case you have not already figured that one out with over 1,000 pilots on the street)

Contract 2000 was poorly written to provide job protections. It is a deal which will not stand legal scrutiny. The RJDC is not anti scope - they promote properly written scope. But this is not a scope debate. I'm just telling you that any attempt by ALPA to sink Delta, then give their members a convenient life raft on so called "permitted aircraft types" is going to be as successful as ALPA's other attempts to limit their "non preferred" pilots at the behest of their "preferred" pilots. We are at that line in the sand. Further aggression will not be tolerated.

~~~^~~~

 

[FLB717]

Simple fares just prove that DAL has been screwn the CVG pax for a long time. When DAL stops trying to be everyting to everyone they will do well, untill then........

 

[DDpaysoff]

Reuters
US Airways Chairman: Liquidation Possible
Thursday August 19, 8:08 am ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - US Airways Group Inc.'s (NasdaqNM:UAIR - News) chairman said employees must agree to $800 million in new wage and benefit cuts within 30 days or the airline might be liquidated, the New York Times said on Thursday, citing an interview with Chairman David Bronner.

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The No. 7 U.S. airline emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last spring, financed in part with $240 million from Retirement Systems of Alabama, the pension fund Bronner runs.

A liquidation could take place under Chapter 7 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.

Bronner said that without cost-saving agreements with unions, he would not invest more money in the Arlington, Virginia-based airline.

He said agreements are needed well before September 30, when US Airways faces a series of covenants in its federally guaranteed loans, which secure its arrangements with aircraft lenders.

"Why would you put new money in, if they don't make a deal," Bronner said in the interview.

A spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Association told the newspaper the pilots union would not be pushed into a quick agreement. A vice president for the machinists union said his union would help the carrier save money, short of reopening contracts.

Bronner told the newspaper that he and other investors potentially would be better off if US Airways liquidated, because they could buy its planes, gates and routes at cheap prices, and not have to take on labor contracts. US Airways has higher operating costs than many discount carriers.

"It's a whole lot cheaper for me to have the assets and start over than to have the liabilities," Bronner said. The newspaper said he joked that the remains of US Airways could be used to start a new carrier named "Bama Air" in tribute to his home state of Alabama. But he said liquidation is "what you want to avoid."

US Airways shares closed Wednesday at $1.93, above their $1.44 post-bankruptcy low touched in May.

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

The guys on the street are already toast..

To suggest otherwise is pretty narrow minded when you take into account the current situation..

The only way they may survive is IF..And this is a pretty big IF..If Delta gets huge concessions to get them back on the property..

I honestly believe that this will be another case of the junior guys getting screwed when faced with other less attractive choices..

And if I were a Captain and had my 25 in..Id be gone..Cash in the bank is always better than the promise of riches later..

Later may never come..
And ALPA and the like arnt gonna do $hit about any of this..