Big Announcement this week in Bankruptcy

[Clutch]

Man that squirtgun fella !!!!

You are qualified for that !!!

Qualified as a Captain ???? Mentally ????

Does your AME know about your anti - authority megalomania and grandiosity?

If your passengers and Chief Pilot heard your seemingly mentally unstable comments....

You do know that crazy is a grounding condition?

Well, Keep that squirtgun....You can use it as a Walmart greeter !

How does a squirt gun help with greeting at Wal-mart?

Please explain

 

[i fly boxes]

anyone else see the whacked out rumor on apc about 1 year bought or bust? Thought it was funny. No way it happens in a year, delta might go out of business if it happened that fast from the chaos that would ensue.

 

[Flyer1015]

anyone else see the whacked out rumor on apc about 1 year bought or bust? Thought it was funny. No way it happens in a year, delta might go out of business if it happened that fast from the chaos that would ensue.

How do you figure? The ATL -900s are gone. All that will be left are 141 CRJ-200s and 41 CRJ-900s. 180 airplanes, a majority of them RJs, is not going to force Delta to go out of business. Look at how many planes Comair had when they struck for 3 months, and Delta survived. Delta lost a lot of money because Comair was all focused into CVG pretty much exclusively. Since then, Delta has learned a few things. Every single regional carrier has its flying dispersed through the system. For a DTW to ELM flight, you'd find one Pinnacle, one ASA, then a GoJet, etc.

Delta can easily kill off Pinnacle even in a year if it really wanted to, but most likely it will draw down the CRJ-200 fleet in conjunction with the 717 deliveries from 2013-2015.

 

[xjhawk]

The only way Delta can meet its contract commitments for their pilots is to rape Pinnacle of a lot of its CRJ 200's. The only question is if Delta will use the bankruptcy to give Pinnacle a 2:1 ratio for those 200's with the allowed addition of large regional Jets (the Boeing 717) and the slightly smaller regional Jets with 76 seats (70 of them). Pinnacle will be lose 100 or more 200's but will end up getting 158 new jets. Not a bad deal if it pans out. I mean why else would Delta not be planning on hiring until after the Boeings start arriving? They will be hiring for retirements in 2014, not new aircraft.


I am kidding! I am kidding! Ha ha ha

 

[i fly boxes]

Or are you......... Dun dun dun

 

[xjhawk]

yeah, Pinnacle is done. The loss of planes will either lead to 41 planes total or no more than 140 planes. That will be the mark come 2015.

 

[XJohXJ]

How about the doom and gloom show today at Pan Am? Yeesh, just pull the plug and end it if it's that bad.

 

[Flyer1015]

How about the doom and gloom show today at Pan Am? Yeesh, just pull the plug and end it if it's that bad.

Pan Am?

 

[Lyconit]

Pan Am?

Ya...whachu takin about Willis?

 

[XJohXJ]

Well, I can't really call it Mesaba HQ anymore. The Pan Am training center, AKA PNCL training Minneapolis. Sorry about the poorly chosen reference.

 

[mesaba13]

What is the status of the erj145's. Is it possible that Delta sheds some of those as part of the 50 seat reduction? Those are some of the most used up, SKYWEST, looking RJ's I have seen.

There is a right size fleet of CRJ200's in the 9E operation. I don't think its 140but it is also not zero. My guess is we will lose around 20-50 of those and possibly keep the ATL 900's. If that happens it would also be logical to get some growth airpalnes as well.

I have heard Rumors swirling aound 9E MX that the 900's going no where. Also just hired a ton of MX personnel in CVG for heavy checks etc. Why would they do that if were planning on shrinking significantly?

This BK has already saved DELTA 33 Million a year in wages, etc that the Pilots alone have already agreed to. That doesn' include all of the other employee groups as well as vendors that are being squeezed and totally not paid.

 

[big shacks]

What happened at Pan Am today?

 

[XJohXJ]

It was on Friday. Our director of flight ops made a lengthy presentation about how screwed we are. He didn't really have any new information. It was just one pure hour of concentrated misery.

Like I said, nothing new, just very negative.

 

[silver02ex]

It was on Friday. Our director of flight ops made a lengthy presentation about how screwed we are. He didn't really have any new information. It was just one pure hour of concentrated misery.

Like I said, nothing new, just very negative.

Could it be a way for him to put fear in us so we would sign a horrible contract?

 

[Flyer1015]

Could it be a way for him to put fear in us so we would sign a horrible contract?

Wasn't aware that in bankruptcy you have the option of signing a contract. It's gonna be "here you are boys, this is your new contract" after the judge approves everything the company asks for.

There is a right size fleet of CRJ200's in the 9E operation. I don't think its 140but it is also not zero. My guess is we will lose around 20-50 of those and possibly keep the ATL 900's.

Don't drink the juice too hard, the ATL -900s are done for. As for the CRJ-200 fleet, you're gonna be losing a lot more than 20-50. Try 100-141.

 

[Ops check good]

What is the status of the erj145's. Is it possible that Delta sheds some of those as part of the 50 seat reduction? Those are some of the most used up, SKYWEST, looking RJ's I have seen.

There is a right size fleet of CRJ200's in the 9E operation. I don't think its 140but it is also not zero. My guess is we will lose around 20-50 of those and possibly keep the ATL 900's. If that happens it would also be logical to get some growth airpalnes as well.

I have heard Rumors swirling aound 9E MX that the 900's going no where. Also just hired a ton of MX personnel in CVG for heavy checks etc. Why would they do that if were planning on shrinking significantly?

This BK has already saved DELTA 33 Million a year in wages, etc that the Pilots alone have already agreed to. That doesn' include all of the other employee groups as well as vendors that are being squeezed and totally not paid.

Just stop. Im sorry but the ATL 900's are spoken for. I hope you don't (I have a buddy working for you) but I believe you are following comairs path.

 

[silver02ex]

Wasn't aware that in bankruptcy you have the option of signing a contract. It's gonna be "here you are boys, this is your new contract" after the judge approves everything the company asks for.



Don't drink the juice too hard, the ATL -900s are done for. As for the CRJ-200 fleet, you're gonna be losing a lot more than 20-50. Try 100-141.

Just because the judge toss out the contract, doesn't mean the company will impose it. If its forced down on us what the point of all these negotiations that's been going on? If I recall the Pinnacle FA just recieved a new TA. Didn't Eagle just signed a new concession contract?

 

[Flyer1015]

Just because the judge toss out the contract, doesn't mean the company will impose it. If its forced down on us what the point of all these negotiations that's been going on? If I recall the Pinnacle FA just recieved a new TA. Didn't Eagle just signed a new concession contract?

Eagle's concession contract is nothing like Pinnacle's proposed concession contract. In fact, Eagle kept a lot of things intact, and it actually doesn't seem like that bad a deal given their circumstance. Pinnacle's proposed contract is at the lowest rung of the regional industry, below Mesa, GoJets, and whatever other RJ operator you can think of. Sure, Pinnacle will negotiate with TW's party but at the end of the day, Delta is calling the shots and whatever contract you get, and whatever amounts of RJs are parked, it'll all be Delta's choosing. They are running the show.

 

[gojo]

Just stop. Im sorry but the ATL 900's are spoken for. I hope you don't (I have a buddy working for you) but I believe you are following comairs path.

If I recall, pinnacle then Mesaba was promised 15 more of Freedom's 900's in 2008. In the end Mesaba got 5 and 10 went to ASA. Can't really count airplanes until they're on property, especially where Delta's concerned.

 

[gojo]

Eagle's concession contract is nothing like Pinnacle's proposed concession contract. In fact, Eagle kept a lot of things intact, and it actually doesn't seem like that bad a deal given their circumstance. Pinnacle's proposed contract is at the lowest rung of the regional industry, below Mesa, GoJets, and whatever other RJ operator you can think of. Sure, Pinnacle will negotiate with TW's party but at the end of the day, Delta is calling the shots and whatever contract you get, and whatever amounts of RJs are parked, it'll all be Delta's choosing. They are running the show.

Eagle's proposed concession contract started out a lot like Pinnacles proposed concession contract.