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[jetlag7]

I'm sure the same sentiments were uttered regarding trains with no conductors and elevators without lift operators.....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I'm sure the same sentiments were uttered regarding trains with no conductors and elevators without lift operators.....

Yeah, because trains and elevators ride on steel rails and still manage to crash, check the Edmonton local news, but by all means keep comparing squash to microscopes......and you wonder why you work for 1/2 the mainline pilots payscale.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Yeah, because trains and elevators ride on steel rails and still manage to crash, check the Edmonton local news, but by all means keep comparing squash to microscopes......and you wonder why you work for 1/2 the mainline pilots payscale.

So what does that say for you?

 

[Indy319FA]

I'm sure the same sentiments were uttered regarding trains with no conductors and elevators without lift operators.....

Last time I checked there are still a couple of guys driving the train, and if the elevator breaks you make a phone call and elevator maintenance comes and lets you out.

George goes tango uniform at 230 without a pilot on board and its harp city for everybody. Big difference.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Yea that or paint a red dot on your forehead or join an Indian reservation. Whatever helps..

Thank god you will be Hulas's goat rimmer to the end. Are you still his Cleveland Steamer go to gal?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

So what does that say for you?

Uhhhmmmn, that I can read a newspaper?

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Uhhhmmmn, that I can read a newspaper?

Guess all them smarts from being able to read a newspaper allows you to fly for 1/2 the pay of a mainline pilot?

 

[CX880]

thank god you will be hulas's goat rimmer to the end. Are you still his cleveland steamer go to gal?

LoLoL! Where do you come up with this stuff cuz? Were you his?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Last time I checked there are still a couple of guys driving the train, and if the elevator breaks you make a phone call and elevator maintenance comes and lets you out.

George goes tango uniform at 230 without a pilot on board and its harp city for everybody. Big difference.

There will be one minimally trained pilot to land the airplane. The lack of supply of people willing to lay out large sums of money in a career with a diminishing future is why the government will step in and change the entire airline pilot paradigm.

We are going to a GPS based system without navaids, without air-ground voice communication and to monitor/controller based flight crew. They have successfully landed UAVs on carrier decks. How many lives would be lost if one of those went haywire. The USAF Academy has pilot slots going unspoken for.

2-3 years of extensive testing will build a credible safety record that the flying public will accept. The cost savings from pilotless aircraft will be so overwhelming (no duty lime limits) that airlines will lose investors if they cling to the old human flightcrew. I wouldn't be surprised to see airlines switch to a pilotless option while on the assembly line.

No we are moving rapidly towards a system much like the people movers in Newark, Dallas, Atlanta and Denver. Folks should plan their careers accordingly.

 

[Indy319FA]

There will be one minimally trained pilot to land the airplane. The lack of supply of people willing to lay out large sums of money in a career with a diminishing future is why the government will step in and change the entire airline pilot paradigm.

We are going to a GPS based system without navaids, without air-ground voice communication and to monitor/controller based flight crew. They have successfully landed UAVs on carrier decks. How many lives would be lost if one of those went haywire. The USAF Academy has pilot slots going unspoken for.

2-3 years of extensive testing will build a credible safety record that the flying public will accept. The cost savings from pilotless aircraft will be so overwhelming (no duty lime limits) that airlines will lose investors if they cling to the old human flightcrew. I wouldn't be surprised to see airlines switch to a pilotless option while on the assembly line.

No we are moving rapidly towards a system much like the people movers in Newark, Dallas, Atlanta and Denver. Folks should plan their careers accordingly.

The idea that the government is going to fund some program to train pilots outside of the armed services is laughable given the given the present fiscal state of the US government. Also the FAA just spent two years increasing the standards for commercial pilots. As long as Chucky Schumer and the Democrats have more than 40 votes in the Senate you will never see the ATP standards repealed. Airlines are going to be responsible for creating their own training pipelines as military fixed wing pilots become fewer and fewer.

Last time I checked the military is not allowed to fly UAVs over populated areas in the US. Obviously you haven't dealt with the flying public very much other than shutting the cockpit door. They are nervous enough getting on an aircraft with pilots than to think they would ever fly without one. If you're flying around empty, you're going to lose money either with or without pilots. Passengers are motivated by two things when purchasing tickets: safety and price. If they don't think its safe you can give the tickets away and it won't matter. The best example of this is ValuJet after the everglades crash. They couldn't give tickets away and ended up buying Air Tran so they could re brand the company to get away from passenger concerns about safety.

 

[jetlag7]

Last time I checked there are still a couple of guys driving the train, and if the elevator breaks you make a phone call and elevator maintenance comes and lets you out.

George goes tango uniform at 230 without a pilot on board and its harp city for everybody. Big difference.

Been to Hartsfield? DIA? Disneyland? Probably not the "mass transit" numbers of traditional trains and subways but you won't find conductors anywhere.

Yes, an "elevator repair technician", or 911 is a quick call away, but the point I was making is at one time, the idea of setting foot on one of these newly-autonomous modes of transit was completely absurd to the travelling public.

It's just a matter of paradigm-shift.

I'm not saying 100% pilotless planes will be an easy sell to the flying public, and I'm not saying it will come to pass for every corner of aviation (it may be legislated out of anything other than cargo), but I am confident we will see the technology in the civilian skies within the next 20 years.

The first Cat IIIc approach I ever "flew" cemented this belief in my mind years ago.

Now please allow me to apologize for the "thread drift" my post created. I was enjoying the earlier discussion and hope we can steer back to the original thread topic....

 

[no1pilot2000]

My former CFI's answer to getting hours for the major airlines.....he went into the Air Force flying C-130's or Tankers now.

 

[Indy319FA]

My former CFI's answer to getting hours for the major airlines.....he went into the Air Force flying C-130's or Tankers now.

Smart move.

 

[pilotyip]

My former CFI's answer to getting hours for the major airlines.....he went into the Air Force flying C-130's or Tankers now.

Smart guy, when he gets out he will have head of the line privileges for the best flying jobs. Any military flying experience is great resume fluff. Anyone wanting to get ahead in this career should be applying at every service and Guard and Reserve unit in the country. I know everyone thinks fixed wing, but there is a real shortage of helo drivers in the country right now, and Army helo trainign is as good as it gets.

 

[Twisted Mind]

Unfortunately most of the guys I know in the guard/ reserves are all at regionals.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

You will never see people get on an unpiloted large aircraft for the forseeable future. Ever. There was a survey about this recently and something like 10% of passengers said they would be willing to fly on an aircraft with no pilot. Its all about perception and has nothing to do with technology. Used to get a laugh all the time when working as an agent and passengers would refuse to fly on a brand new Saab, and ask to be re booked on a 40 year old DC 9 because it is 'newer' technology. Perception is reality and logic flies out the window.

In the early 1900s, airplanes were a curiosity flown by daredevils and stunt show performers. No one would have even considered getting on one of those "contraptions" and flying somewhere. That was less than 100 years ago. I don't think we'll see pilotless airplanes in our careers, but I wouldn't say never. 100 years from now, at our current rate of technological advance, we will probably be flying UFOs. Think about it.

 

[livin'thesim]

There is no reason to go "pilotless".

Here is what will happen - a smart airline will place two marginally qualified humans up front, fully dressed in pilot regalia. These persons will know how to call Medlink, deal with circuit breaker resets, and crank the gear down if the auto system fails.

This will provide a marketing advantage over other airlines: "Look, we still use real pilots in addition to all the techonology - "You're safer with us".

This does not mean the profession as we know it is safe, it only means that there will be no reason to have an empty flight deck. Low-paid technicians/managers will occupy the front seats.

Besides, anyone who thinks that ground-bound engineers will be able to design a system that can deal with all contingencies is a fool.

Once a crash occurs that could have been prevented with human intervention, public outcry will be fierce.

In the end, it will be CHEAPER to have low paid lackeys up front (probably with a "manager certificate" instead of an ATP). The cost of designing out something as simple as resetting a breaker or cranking the gear would not justify it.

There may eventually be only one person up front, of course. Someone will have to complete the Sudoku forms.

 

[AirMike]

In the early 1900s, airplanes were a curiosity flown by daredevils and stunt show performers. No one would have even considered getting on one of those "contraptions" and flying somewhere. That was less than 100 years ago. I don't think we'll see pilotless airplanes in our careers, but I wouldn't say never. 100 years from now, at our current rate of technological advance, we will probably be flying UFOs. Think about it.

UFOs....? Do you think before you type? Do you even know what U.F.O. means???

Typical sCAL pilot.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Unpaid First Officer

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Unpaid First Officer

Underpaid first officer?:beer: