Bend Over C.O.M.A.I.R!

[FDJ2]

"The highest unit revenues were reported by network carrier US Airways and regional carriers Comair and American Eagle Airlines.

Comair doesn't really have passenger revenue per se, they get paid by Delta, not the passengers. Even if the flight is empty, DAL pays the same as when it's full.

The bottom line is RJs are very expensive to operate on a per seat mile basis and that cost is paid by the network carriers. Comair receives a high level of compensation from DAL for every flight, hence the high revenue.

That's one of the reasons CMR's schedule is being reduced, it makes no economic sense for DAL to continue to contract out the same number of high CASM and high fuel burning RJ seats as it did when fuel was under $30/barrel.

 

[N813CA]

In Ground school they are still hiring in JAN and FEB for new hires and plan to hire as many as possible for the next 6 months. Think they were blowing smoke your way.

 

[PA44Jockey]

They will tell a newhire anything to paint a pretty picture.

 

[TJflyboy]

Big Sky is done on the east coast, think OH will pick those routes back up?

 

[ohplease!]

Not to change the subject, but the other day I was in CVG and just about every Comair guy I passed gave me a look of disgust as I passed, kinda like the Delta pilots look at you. Just wondering why? I work for ASA, not Chiniqua, or Freedumb, so why the hostility? We did not sell you guys out, if anything it was the other way around, so again, WTF?

I go through CVG very often and have quite the opposite experience. Perhaps its just you they don't like.

Try doing like I do when I'm there: walk around with a genuine smile on your face, speak nicely to everyone you come across, make the effort to start a friendly conversation with them and have some empathy for them.

Not sympathy or pity, but empathy. They've had it pretty rough for a while now.

Frankly, I get far more attitude from fellow ASA pilots than I do any other group besides Delta. Maybe its you who has the problem.....

 

[wrigley23]

Big Sky is done on the east coast, think OH will pick those routes back up?

Please verify, when does this occur? I think I have a scheduled deadhead on Big Sky in Jan.

 

[samballs]

Please verify, when does this occur? I think I have a scheduled deadhead on Big Sky in Jan.

The drag racers (big sky) in Bos are done on Jan 8th. On the 700/900 we don't do a ton of flying into BOS but everytime I have, we almost hit one of their planes, they seem not to follow the lines on the ramp.

 

[clarkwgriswald]

Big Sky is done on the east coast, think OH will pick those routes back up?

Maybe Bangor and and one of the canadian cities, most of the others are eas type routes.
Actually either freedom or republic will probably do bangor.

 

[superfreight208]

%#%#%#% Comair!!!

I am getting sick of this *H%! when the hell am I going to upgrade!!! This company SUCKS!!!

 

[Smacktard]

Comair CR7 ship numbers start with '10.' Shortly after ASA took delivery of those aircraft they adopted their own ship numbers (three digits starting with 7, I believe), so the only way to tell if it was an old CMR bird from the outside is to observe the tail number.

Your history is a little off. Skywest took delivery of about 15 aircraft at some point early in the decade, that belonged to Comair, I believe this was a result of the strike. Comair ended up taking delivery of about the same number of aircraft that belonged to Skywest. At the beginning of bankruptcy, Delta decided it had to get it's ducks in a row and initiated the trade in order to get the airplanes to their proper owner. It was a one for one trade or at least very close to a one for one trade. I have seen many 'SK' airplanes at Comair and many 'CA' airplanes at Skywest. In this case the tail number reflects who took initial delivery of the aircraft and not the owner (or lease holder).

Shortly before bankruptcy Delta agreed to sell ASA to Skywest. As part of that deal Delta agreed to give Skywest a certain amount of additional flying in the future. When it came time to award that flying Delta RFPed nearly all of Comair's current flying. Since Delta owns and controls all of Comair's business it decided a good way to pay Skywest it's due flying was to take 15 -700s from Comair. This benefited Delta in several ways since they also happened to be negotiating with Comair's pilots for concessions.

Which brings us to why a Comair pilot may be a little annoyed by the sight of a 70 seat aircraft with 'CA' on its tail and 'ASA' on it's nose. As a result of Delta giving those 15 -700s to Skywest (who gave them to ASA) 18 year Captains went back on reserve and several hundred junior pilots were furloughed (myself included). As someone who has frequently swore under my breath (or maybe not so 'under my breath') at the sight of said airplanes I can tell you I never cursed ASA pilots or even Skywest management, but the Turkeys in charge at Delta and Comair who initiated and allowed the transfer to happen.

In the future when you see an upset Comair pilot please understand his distress is not directed at you (unless you are Delta or Comair management). Calling Comair a Comair pilot a "nimrod" or a "prick" isn't constructive and frankly is childish.

I didn't say N numbers, I said ship numbers. All of ASA's 70 seaters are number 701, 702 etc up to 761 (they skipped a few). The Comair planes that we've 'taken' are 317, 331, 354, 355, 390 etc. The tail numbers are also 317CA, 331CA, 354CA.

As for the history, it doesn't matter, many planes have been moved around between DCI carriers. I didn't participate in that based on my wages (some can't say that). Therefore, my point still stands, don't look at us and give us crap as if we made the move to screw over Comair.

 

[RCA]

I am getting sick of this *H%! when the hell am I going to upgrade!!! This company SUCKS!!!

I've been with Comair since late 04 and will be upgrading in about 8 months.......At my new job.
Sorry for your luck at Comair, if you want career progesion you'll have to take the bull by the horns. Or vote for Hillary she'd promise you an upgrade.

 

[Caveman]

I am getting sick of this *H%! when the hell am I going to upgrade!!! This company SUCKS!!!

If the TT hours in your profile are correct you've been there, what, 4 years? Back in '03 all upgrades at CMR came to a screeching halt and they have stayed that way ever since. Are you just now figuring this out? I understand your frustration, but the writing has been on the wall for a while now. Get out. Suck it up. Go to whoever is the RJ flavor-of-the-month, get the quick upgrade and move on.

CMR is slowly decaying. It isn't what it was back in '01 when we showed the world that regional pilots could and would make a stand. It certainly isn't what it was for the 18-24 months immediately after the strike. Starting around '03 things started to slide. At each point we all kept thinking that this is as bad as it will get. Guess what? There was always a little bit more "worse' left in the gun. Fast forward to today. Nothings changed. CMR is exactly the way it has been for going on 4 years now. They are in a slow, steady and unyielding decline. I wish it weren't the case, but it is.

I'm on your side. I'm a CMR refugee. I finally got the hint and bailed. I'm glad I worked at CMR. Great folks over there, but it's over.

 

[DrewBlows]

I didn't say N numbers, I said ship numbers. All of ASA's 70 seaters are number 701, 702 etc up to 761 (they skipped a few). The Comair planes that we've 'taken' are 317, 331, 354, 355, 390 etc. The tail numbers are also 317CA, 331CA, 354CA.

As for the history, it doesn't matter, many planes have been moved around between DCI carriers. I didn't participate in that based on my wages (some can't say that). Therefore, my point still stands, don't look at us and give us crap as if we made the move to screw over Comair.

Did you even read my post?

COMAIR SHIP NUMBERS DO NOT START WITH '3,' THEY START WITH '10.'

ASA CHANGED THE COMAIR SHIP NUMBERS TO THEIR OWN.

THE ONLY WAY TO TELL IF IT IS A FORMER COMAIR AIRPLANE IS TO SEE THE TAIL NUMBER, WHICH ENDS IN 'CA.'

COMAIR PILOTS ARE NOT MAD AT YOU THEY ARE MAD AT MANAGEMENT.

Are those simple enough terms for you to understand?

Why am I arguing with Smacktard?

 

[PA44Jockey]

"Too High", "No, it's too Far," "Dude it's too High"

"Who gives a $#!+ It's Gone" Major League

Why waste a breathe on this guys. It's not going to realign where all of these planes have gone.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Did you even read my post?

COMAIR SHIP NUMBERS DO NOT START WITH '3,' THEY START WITH '10.'

ASA CHANGED THE COMAIR SHIP NUMBERS TO THEIR OWN.

THE ONLY WAY TO TELL IF IT IS A FORMER COMAIR AIRPLANE IS TO SEE THE TAIL NUMBER, WHICH ENDS IN 'CA.'

COMAIR PILOTS ARE NOT MAD AT YOU THEY ARE MAD AT MANAGEMENT.

Are those simple enough terms for you to understand?

Why am I arguing with Smacktard?

All 70 seaters have "build" numbers that start with a 10. All 50 seaters start with a 7. I'm not sure the exact term for these numbers but it's basically a serial number for the airframe.

Comair uses this build number as a "ship" number and ASA uses the first three numbers of the N number as a "ship" number. This is just so everyone who works at ASA or Comair can identify the aircraft.

You can find the "build" numbers on the instrument panel on ASA ships. Every airline labels their ship numbers a bit differently.

Now quit arguing!

 

[kiteflyer]

If the TT hours in your profile are correct you've been there, what, 4 years? Back in '03 all upgrades at CMR came to a screeching halt and they have stayed that way ever since. Are you just now figuring this out? I understand your frustration, but the writing has been on the wall for a while now. Get out. Suck it up. Go to whoever is the RJ flavor-of-the-month, get the quick upgrade and move on.

CMR is slowly decaying. It isn't what it was back in '01 when we showed the world that regional pilots could and would make a stand. It certainly isn't what it was for the 18-24 months immediately after the strike. Starting around '03 things started to slide. At each point we all kept thinking that this is as bad as it will get. Guess what? There was always a little bit more "worse' left in the gun. Fast forward to today. Nothings changed. CMR is exactly the way it has been for going on 4 years now. They are in a slow, steady and unyielding decline. I wish it weren't the case, but it is.

I'm on your side. I'm a CMR refugee. I finally got the hint and bailed. I'm glad I worked at CMR. Great folks over there, but it's over.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Glad to be gone too..........................

I think it is just Delta's way to payback Comair and ALPA for the strike. Wither away an ALPA group, grow Non-Union and Teamster groups.............NO wonder ALPA failed at SkyWest.

 

[kiteflyer]

Just curious, What is the seniority number and/or employee number of the most junior captain now?? How many guys had their upgrade postponed/canceled?

 

[PA44Jockey]

967 is the most Junior Active Captain in JFK right now. July of 2002 DOH. There is a class of 11 uprgading as we speak, but that will be the last class for a while from the sound of things.

 

[kiteflyer]

ouch!! That sucks.

I don't think you could pay me enough to commute to JFK.........No way.........

Mesaba went from 6-7 year FO's to Street Captains in 6 months, I wonder if Comair will too???

 

[outtahere]

I go through CVG very often and have quite the opposite experience. Perhaps its just you they don't like.

Try doing like I do when I'm there: walk around with a genuine smile on your face, speak nicely to everyone you come across, make the effort to start a friendly conversation with them and have some empathy for them.

Not sympathy or pity, but empathy. They've had it pretty rough for a while now.

Frankly, I get far more attitude from fellow ASA pilots than I do any other group besides Delta. Maybe its you who has the problem.....

Well not all of us can pull off that dopey half stupid look that you have. Secondly, I try and say hello to every pilot I pass, except freedom, but the Comair and Delta pilots are the only ones I have seen that don't reciprocate. Just seems odd that the two groups that hate each other the most, act the most alike. As for you, well when they say hello to you it is not empathy, it is true pity. Sorry dude!