Before going to Compass,,,,think again

[Superpilot92]

That quote was pretty incoherent when left out of context but the only effect the NW mainline fleet has on the "large RJ" fleet at the Airlinks is that after one year out of bankruptcy a "floor" is established on the narrow body fleet at NW. If the floor is exceeded more large RJs can be put into service. If the fleet drops below the floor there is no penalty.

There are provisions that make it difficult to sell Compass as an airline to be operated as an airline. If NW were to divest of Compass though I doubt you would see it survive as an airline though.

There are no restrictions that prevent a shutdown of Compass besides a reshuffling of what paint jobs come on the NW 76-seat orders.

thats not accurate, the floor serves 2 purposes 1 being it cant drop below that without parking 70 seaters first and 2. it is a floor for it the NWA fleet ever goes up with a NET increase, not replacements, then another "large RJ" can be ordered. the compass deal while not a smart move at NWA by the pilots did include protections to ensure ALL dc9s wouldnt get parked and directly replaced by compass. How come only 18 more unaccounted orders can be filled if your theory is correct? I know, because of the scope provisions limiting the number of 70 seaters.

 

[DoinTime]

The Emb's are 100 seat planes. If they take the first class section out, its a 100 seat plane. Due to the scope clause, they are configured for 76. Same thing goes for the 900's mesaba is flying. 100 seat planes configured for 76.

The EMB-175 is not a 100 seat plane. Neither is the CRJ-900.

 

[DoinTime]

thats not accurate, the floor serves 2 purposes 1 being it cant drop below that without parking 70 seaters first and 2. it is a floor for it the NWA fleet ever goes up with a NET increase, not replacements, then another "large RJ" can be ordered. the compass deal while not a smart move at NWA by the pilots did include protections to ensure ALL dc9s wouldnt get parked and directly replaced by compass. How come only 18 more unaccounted orders can be filled if your theory is correct? I know, because of the scope provisions limiting the number of 70 seaters.

After reading some more there are some penalties for going below the floor [my bad]. There is a 1 for 1 "peel back" penalty for for new 77-110 seat aircraft taken out of service at NWA but seeing is that none were ever put into service this is not applicable. The second element is that the lower cap cannot be exceeded if the floor is not maintained.

The current orders are for 62 76-seat RJs (36 CRJ-900s at XJ and 36 E-175s at Compass). The lower cap is for 55 of these planes and the upper cap is 90 planes. If the NB floor is not maintained (and it looks like wont be) 7 of the current 76-seaters will not be deliverable unless they come in Delta Connection colors. Being below the floor also negates any benefit for NWA operating Compass as they can't be used to boost the total number of large RJs.

 

[Superpilot92]

After reading some more there are some penalties for going below the floor [my bad]. There is a 1 for 1 "peel back" penalty for for new 77-110 seat aircraft taken out of service at NWA but seeing is that none were ever put into service this is not applicable. The second element is that the lower cap cannot be exceeded if the floor is not maintained.

The current orders are for 62 76-seat RJs (36 CRJ-900s at XJ and 36 E-175s at Compass). The lower cap is for 55 of these planes and the upper cap is 90 planes. If the NB floor is not maintained (and it looks like wont be) 7 of the current 76-seaters will not be deliverable unless they come in Delta Connection colors. Being below the floor also negates any benefit for NWA operating Compass as they can't be used to boost the total number of large RJs.

Like i said the whole mess should have never been allowed to happen but it did and there were at least protections included to protect mainline jobs and flying that was my point. All the 9's CANT be parked and replaced by "RJ"s per the NWA scope language. What document are you getting your info from?

The funniest thing is GL took your original post on this subject as "fact" and already posted it against some NWA guys on a different thread. LMAO you really got him bent out of shape.

 

[JoeMerchant]

SuperPilot,

Your signature says "one airline one contract".....can you explain the reason for that and the method you want.....

 

[DoinTime]

Like i said the whole mess should have never been allowed to happen but it did and there were at least protections included to protect mainline jobs and flying that was my point. All the 9's CANT be parked and replaced by "RJ"s per the NWA scope language. What document are you getting your info from?

The funniest thing is GL took your original post on this subject as "fact" and already posted it against some NWA guys on a different thread. LMAO you really got him bent out of shape.

Not all of the -9s can be replaced by 76-seaters. Just 55 of them.

I get my info from the NW Contract. You know, its that 2 inch thick document that most NW pilots have never peeled the shrink wrap off of.

The General should know better than to ever repeat anything he read off of flight info.

 

[Superpilot92]

SuperPilot,

Your signature says "one airline one contract".....can you explain the reason for that and the method you want.....

Its self explanatory. Arguing about it online is pointless and arguing about it with someone who isnt a pilot at NWA or DAL is even more pointless. This topic has been discussed on so many ridiculous threads its not funny so i wont get into it again, especially since thats not what this thread is about.

 

[Superpilot92]

Not all of the -9s can be replaced by 76-seaters. Just 55 of them. comment below

I get my info from the NW Contract. You know, its that 2 inch thick document that most NW pilots have never peeled the shrink wrap off of. I know what it is I have it sitting at the house. I was just curious where you were getting your info from.

The General should know better than to ever repeat anything he read off of flight info come on your giving the General way to much credit.

Thats exactly why NWA announced the cuts they did when they did because they needed to announce it before the floor was set.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Its self explanatory. Arguing about it online is pointless and arguing about it with someone who isnt a pilot at NWA or DAL is even more pointless. This topic has been discussed on so many ridiculous threads its not funny so i wont get into it again, especially since thats not what this thread is about.

The ASA and CMR pilots tried this with the DAL pilots in 2000.....Their elitism and arrogance prevented it....You will learn about the master race soon enough....I'm not trying to argue with you about it.....it is obvious that we should strive towards it....

However in this dysfunctional "association"....the obvious is difficult.....

 

[MJ42]

I'm sorry....the sting from your last smack down must not have faded yet. I wont hold you to your comments. Do tell...

....and me? bitter? you embody the term. Now get your a** back on reserve!About what? I'm completely happy with my career, from your past posts I find it hard that you can say that too. BTW, I choose to bid LONG CALL reserve instead of being a block holder. Last month I had 18 days at home including all weekends and still flew 65 hours! So, I'll gladly go back to my reserve life.

I think Superpilot proved you're full of it, talk about a smack down!

 

[BoilerUP]

A 70/76/86/90 seater at a "regional" would be the largest, and therefore most senior and highest-paying airframe on that property.

A 70/76/86/90 seater at mainline would be the smallest, and therefore least senior and lowest-paying airframe on that property.

Why people can't keep that in perspective when making the "mainline is undercutting the regionals!" argument is beyond me...

 

[Rook]

Mesa Sucks!:nuts:

 

[Moustache]

Before taking a job offer from Compass, think again.

NWA (NWA/Delta) starts the furlough after they park all the gas-hog DC9's (remember United is parking 100, AA is reducing 10-12%; so this is very real). ALL Delta and NWA pilots will flo-back to Compass putting you on the street IMMEDIATELY (ok, 20/month).

oh, and the top 75 or so guys that took the job as off the street captains? you aren't safe either. The flo-backs will go ahead of you and you will be sitting FO reserve in MEM with a $40k pay cut. Can't afford it? Well, if you quit you won't get unemployment.

No, you don't get to keep your captain pay.

Thought it was a great time to go to Compass 1 year ago, huh? Maybe not.

Must be a Pinnacle FO, the ones who can't upgrade!!!

 

[SpauldingSmails]

The current orders are for 62 76-seat RJs (36 CRJ-900s at XJ and 36 E-175s at Compass).

Ahhhem... uh 36 + 36 = 72.

 

[veneratio]

the compass pay rates suck anyways to fly a E175

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Who pi$$ed in your Cheerios?

Me thinks someone applied and didn't get hired.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Compass is yet another ALPA failure....and another alter-ego carrier that will be involved in the impending food fight....We never learn from our mistakes.....

 

[climbhappy]

we never learn from our mistakes

no, lawyers love generating fees.

 

[spg2bmd]

too bad...

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

NWA planned to buy the Bombardier "C" to replace the -9. Now that it will be DAL/NWA, who knows?

The ERJs are too small to replace the -9.

cliff
MCI
PS-The "C" is powered by the P&W Geared Turbofan, which claims a 20% fuel savings over the current BEST engine operating today. Embraer is disputing that claim, since their planes are nowhere close in efficiency.