Basics on the Lear 45...

[Viffer]

Anyone have any of the bare basics for a 45? Wondering about an average BOW, max fuel load, MTOW, cruise speeds, fuel burns/range etc. Wondering how well it would do for long range flights with 6+ pax and bags. Appreciate any insights.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Anyone have any of the bare basics for a 45? Wondering about an average BOW, max fuel load, MTOW, cruise speeds, fuel burns/range etc. Wondering how well it would do for long range flights with 6+ pax and bags. Appreciate any insights.

Buy a Citation, it will fly more often

The 45 is the ultimate hangar queen.

 

[johnsonrod]

Anyone have any of the bare basics for a 45? Wondering about an average BOW, max fuel load, MTOW, cruise speeds, fuel burns/range etc. Wondering how well it would do for long range flights with 6+ pax and bags. Appreciate any insights.

Go for the CJ3 instead.

 

[Viffer]

Buy a Citation, check. But, does anyone have any numbers for the 45? Gotta have some answer's when the boss asks about it you know...

 

[PUNISHER]

Go for the CJ3 instead.

I hope your joking. The LJ45 and CJ3 aren't even close to being in the same category. The XLS would be more comparable.

 

[Never2low]

Call FSI Tucson and ask to speak to a Lear 45 instructor. They'll give you any info you need. (520) 918-7100

 

[ksu_aviator]

Anyone have any of the bare basics for a 45? Wondering about an average BOW, max fuel load, MTOW, cruise speeds, fuel burns/range etc. Wondering how well it would do for long range flights with 6+ pax and bags. Appreciate any insights.

Fine:

Empty Weight is approximately 13,500 depending on equipment

With 6 pax and bags you are probably going to be able to go about 3 hours and have 1 hour reserves.

That is assuming it gets off the ground. Keep in mind the XLS is cheaper to buy and operatre, will go just as far and will get off the ground.

Do not operate the 45, you will regret it.

 

[LJ45]

Buy a Citation, it will fly more often

The 45 is the ultimate hangar queen.

hmmm.. no flights missed in the last 1.5 years and 700 + hours in the Lear 45. Early in the program that may have been true, but not so anymore. (FYI I have over 3000 hours in the 45)

You can take 6-7 paxs, bags and full fuel and go 1800 nm still air distance with 45min res.

It can hall more people, further, faster, higher cruise altitude, better ride, better brakes and dual mains and uses less fuel than the XL. Nothing wrong with the XL, just a different airplane. XL has taller cabin and better baggage and better support from the OEM.

 

[CFIcare]

Buy a Citation, it will fly more often

The 45 is the ultimate hangar queen.

Uhhhh...we fly an early serial number LR45 and flew it 1000 hours last year and missed 0 flights due to mechanical problems. I come from flying vintage Lears that broke every other leg. I'm impressed not only with it's reliability, but it's performance in/out of high alt airports where we frequently go, plus great brakes are nice. It would be perfect if it held about 700# more gas just for making the west coast in the winter.

Great airplane.

 

[CFIcare]

Lr45

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[stuckinGFK]

Fine:

Empty Weight is approximately 13,500 depending on equipment

With 6 pax and bags you are probably going to be able to go about 3 hours and have 1 hour reserves.

That is assuming it gets off the ground. Keep in mind the XLS is cheaper to buy and operatre, will go just as far and will get off the ground.

Do not operate the 45, you will regret it.

To the original poster, don't listen to this guy.

The Lear 45 is a great airplane. I only flew 45 with the BR engine upgrade. It's a great Aspen plane, has awesome breaks, good range, and I was always able to go SL to FL450 without step climbing.

With six passengers and bags you should be able to top it off. 1800 nm in still air is a good assumption. I've done over 2000 nm with a good tailwind.

Had a couple fuel stops going from Houston to San Fran in the winter due to some stiff winds.

All in all, great airplane.

Johnsonrod,
the CJ3 is a great airplane, but honestly do you think the two compare? Double club versus single club and two crappy backseats. Or how about much smaller cabin with the step up floor or decent sized cabin. Mach .81 vs. M .73

I could go on for a while. I do like the baggage better in the CJ3, but this is the same class of airplane, not even close.

 

[CFIcare]

To the original poster, don't listen to this guy.

The Lear 45 is a great airplane. I only flew 45 with the BR engine upgrade. It's a great Aspen plane, has awesome breaks, good range, and I was always able to go SL to FL450 without step climbing.

With six passengers and bags you should be able to top it off. 1800 nm in still air is a good assumption. I've done over 2000 nm with a good tailwind.

Had a couple fuel stops going from Houston to San Fran in the winter due to some stiff winds.

I agree. Straight to 450 unless you are stuffed and topped and ISA+. You can almost top it with 8 pax, and you can actually fit 8 comfortably with no one on a potty seat. Lots of baggage space in the back, enough for 6 clubs plus smaller items.

I think it's the best Learjet made. The 60's power is nice but it's brake energy limited worse than the 55 and that alone makes it an uber pig for short field, high alt. stuff.

We don't have an XR either. We have one on the way and I'm looking forward to seeing the -BR performance difference.

 

[GVFlyer]

I like Lears. I thought Gulfstream should have purchased Learjet from Bombardier instead of Galaxy from the Pritzkers.

These are the numbers I have for the Lear 45XR.

Cabin dimensions: 19'9" L x 4'11" H x 5'1" W

Cabin volume: 386 Cu. Ft.

Baggage volume: 65 Cu. Ft.

Max T/O Wt.: 21,500 lbs.

Max Ldg Wt.: 19,200 lbs.

Max Zero Fuel Wt.: 16,000 lbs.

Typical Operating Wt.: 13,890 lbs.

Max fuel: 6,062 lbs.

Max payload: 2,110 lbs.

Max payload full fuel: 1,798 lbs.

Normal Cruise: Mach 0.76

Long Range Cruise: Mach 0.73

Mmo: Mach 0.81

Range @ Normal Cruise (4 pax, ISA, NBAA IFR Reserves): 1,871 nm.

Range @ LRC (4 pax, ISA, NBAA IFR Reserves):1,873 nm.

T/O Dist. (SL, ISA, MTOW): 5,040 ft.

Ldg Dist. (SL, ISA MLW): 2,660 ft.

Initial Altitude: FL 430

Max Altitude: FL510

DOC: $1,376 / hr.

Price: $11.52 million


GV

Happy Holidays!

 

[Wankel7]

Yeah .... been flying the 40/45 for the past five months...great plane! And the brakes are unbelievable!

 

[puddlejumper]

Here is a website with quite a bit of info for you to look at. It's more for the pilots than the passengers, but it will give you an idea of the systems and procedures.

PJ

 

[puddlejumper]

Doh! Nevermind...

Smartcockpit.com has been requested by Bombardier Inc. to remove all the extracts of their Copyrighted Aircraft Operations Manuals Extracts from its servers. We apologize that we are not able to provide this material anymore.

PJ

 

[Viffer]

Hey thanks everyone for the info. For now that's all we are looking for. Happy holiday's.

 

[Capthuff]

Viffer,
The 45 I fly has a BOW of 13870 (on the lighter side for a 45)

MTOW is 21,500
Fuel is 6000
ZFW is 16,000
MLW is 19,200
Bagage, while not as big as the XL/XLS, is large enough for 8 sets of clubs/8 sets of (reasonable) luggage.
loaded like that you can still go 3 hours @.79/450kts
-BR engines = straight to FL450
-AR engines = straight to FL410

The poster above talking about the Excel is wrong. The 45 is cheaper to buy and operate then the Excel. The XL/XLS burns more fuel and goes slower.
LR 45 Cost/NM $3.47
XL Cost/NM $3.95
(from C&dD 2006 evaluator reports)

Some one also pointed out the brakes. The 45 can stop better then the XL/XLS.

However, as was also pointed out, the factory support is not as good as Cessna's.
If you want the larger diameter cabin you need an XL/XLS, if you want 8 real seats, with no one having to sit sideways, you need a 45 or something bigger like a Sovereign/CL300/DA2000 - and spend mucho $$$

Best of success in your search

 

[SDCFI]

Flexjet's 45's are a little heavier: most aircraft have BOWs around 14.2 or 14.3. If you regularly take 6+ adults plus baggage you start bumping up against ZFW (16,000). Not sure how our 45's compare weight-wise to the rest of the fleet, ours probably includes stock and other pax convenience items. Maybe our crews are fatter too

 

[FraxJockey]

There is a new SB that ups the MZFW to 16500.

 

[PropsR4Boats]

Could anyone run some numbers for me. Comparing the XL and the 45 need to know second segment and runway from a 3000' MSL airport at 90 and 110 with 2100 lbs of payload and 3500 lbs of gas. If some one has the XL too that would be great.

Thanks all

 

[LJ45]

Could anyone run some numbers for me. Comparing the XL and the 45 need to know second segment and runway from a 3000' MSL airport at 90 and 110 with 2100 lbs of payload and 3500 lbs of gas. If some one has the XL too that would be great.

Thanks all

I'll run the numbers for the 45XR if you verfiy 2,100 payload? That is 9 passenger x 200 lbs each, plus 300 lbs baggage?

Using BOW 14,200 + 3500 Lbs fuel at take off and 2,100 payload for a takeoff weight of 19,800:

At 90 degrees and 3000 PA:

field length 5005
2nd seg 5.2
V1 113
Vr 117
V2 126

At 110 degrees and 3000 PA:

field length 6673
2nd seg 3.1
V1 116
Vr 117
V2 126

 

[PropsR4Boats]

Just what I needed thanks.

 

[Dinger]

I am glad to see I wasn't in the minority because I enjoyed flying the 45.

 

[mxpilot2]

I enjoyed flying the 45 after the bugs were sorted out, and you weren't getting EICAS messages at the start of every trip. It was a good performer, good interior room and my favorite baggage compartment ever.

Would have been a fine aircraft except for one thing....

They have the WORST pilot seats EVER in the history (or my history) of General Aviation. How ANYONE could sit in one longer than 3 hours without tears in their eyes and an ambulance waiting on arrival is beyond me.