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9GClub

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Just watched a video on flightlevel350.com...... a China Airlines Cargo 744F takeoff (brakes off to mains airborne) in 30s...... seemed awfully quick, it must have been empty. Comments?

("Well son, when you strap four huge fans on a long metal tube, it will go up.")

Anybody witnessed or performed "ballistic" climbs in an empty pax or cargo jet? I'm guessing it's prudent to inform ATC of your intentions.... but do you need to ask permission per se? How do employers (i.e. the corporate entities that own the aircraft) feel about guys throwing their planes around?

("Well son, actually they like it when their crap comes back bent.")

If minitour hits a golf ball in the woods but there's no one around to hear it, will he take immediate flak in this forum?
 
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I don't know about empty cargo jets, but whenever we do an afterburner climb in the '38, we tag each transmission with an "...afterburner climb" at the end. That way, ATC knows we're climbing like a bat outta hell and clears the altitude above us.

It's no joke, either...a few seconds can really make a difference when you're climbing close to 30K' per minute. An intermediate level-off in such a climb really sucks.
 
9GClub said:
If minitour hits a golf ball in the woods but there's no one around to hear it, will he take immediate flak in this forum?

Not until he start offering advice on how to hit a high, 2 iron draw into the 15th green at Augusta...;) :D
 
Vector4fun said:
Not until he start offering advice on how to hit a high, 2 iron draw into the 15th green at Augusta...;) :D

If you need 2-iron to reach the green there, you shouldn't be worried about the draw...

I did hit a nice cut three today from a downhill lie to set up an easy birdie on the first....that was fun...haven't hit a cut in 4 years...

-mini
 
minitour said:
I did hit a nice cut three today from a downhill lie to set up an easy birdie on the first....

-mini

Uh...what? Is that English? :)

Sorry...the only golf I know has windmills.
 
ATC gets mad if you don't tell them you're going to.
 
Ill Mitch said:
Uh...what? Is that English? :)

Sorry...the only golf I know has windmills.

Translation for Ill Mitch:

On the first hole of my round today (yesterday), I hit a three iron very well. The ball was in a lie which sloped downhill so that my left foot was lower than my right foot and I made the ball travel slightly from left to right. The shot was placed in a position for me to have two putts to make a score of under par on the first hole. The first putt came up to the hole and stopped about six inches away, so I could easily make the putt for one under par on the hole. It was a very nice shot indeed.

Golfers tend to talk in "tongues", so I can understand the confusion. The same could be true of someone listening to busy ATC for the first time: "030, 3,000, cleared approach, tower at the marker, good-day." Huh?

-mini
 
minitour said:
Translation for Ill Mitch:

On the first hole of my round today (yesterday), I hit a three iron very well. The ball was in a lie which sloped downhill so that my left foot was lower than my right foot and I made the ball travel slightly from left to right. The shot was placed in a position for me to have two putts to make a score of under par on the first hole. The first putt came up to the hole and stopped about six inches away, so I could easily make the putt for one under par on the hole. It was a very nice shot indeed.


-mini

Mini,

You didn't mention whether the ball was sitting up or sitting down? Did you pick it really clean or have a juicy lie and hit a bit of a flyer? Thin it a bit or held on to your release? Did the ball check up on the dance floor or did you run it on? Was this a Nassau? How long was the Eagle putt? Nice to have those gimmes.

I birdied 6 and 18 for a 78 on a really nice course Tue. :)
 
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Vector4fun said:
Mini,

You didn't mention whether the ball was sitting up or sitting down? Did you pick it really clean or have a juicy lie and hit a bit of a flyer? Thin it a bit or held on to your release? Did the ball check up on the dance floor or did you run it on? Was this a Nassau? How long was the Eagle putt? Nice to have those gimmes.

I birdied 6 and 18 for a 78 on a really nice course Tue. :)

Decent lie, I usually don't pick it (shallow divots), I hit all shots with a normal release...just differ my set-up for cuts or draws, looked like one hop and release, just playing with a guy I met on the range, about 30 feet, yes it is.

Hell, I'm just happy to be playing on February 17th...they're calling for 70 and sunny Saturday...definitely going again since I can't get into the RG until Monday :rolleyes:...I usually don't get to play until after the Masters...and it's Tiger, wire to wire this year.

:D

-mini

PS
Where'd ya play?
 
nice...real nice...

Just joined a Pete Dye design back home and can't wait to finish up here so I can take advantage of it...

-mini
 
I have it on excellent authority...

WSCoD is capable of 30k/min ballistic climb at over MTW with the CG well forward.

It's not in the documentation, but the airplane exceeds all specs in actual operations.
 
Goose Egg said:
[envious] You guys are playing golf already? All our courses are wicked snow covered.

-Goose

I've got a feeling the same thing for me when/if I ever get to go back home...

At this rate I won't be done until April so all the snow should be melted by then...and I'm headin to Myrtle Beach the weekend of the Masters anyway...be there for a week. Playin Kings North at MBN...beautiful course. I'd like to hit up Sandpiper Bay, but we've got Indian Wells and Wicked Stick so far...

-mini
 

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