background check question!! HELP

[Av8rPHX]

ahhh... the lovely SF 86 form

 

[airgator]

Do all pilots require a TS? I know my paperwork for the secret has to be filed by the time I go to OTS, but do heavy drivers need a TS later on?

 

[HoursHore]

You need TS for any recon or tanker platform. I think you need it for spec ops stuff as well. When you get to T-1's everybody fills out the EPSQ (top secret questionairre) . Then depending on your assignment, the SP's and OIS schedules an interview. It ain't that hard to get.

P.S. If you smoked tell them. They will find out. Not only do they interview everyone you put down, but everyone your references refer them to. And if they find something you haven't told them, guess what, they keep digging. You probably haven't gotten this far by being a druggie. ( if you have, congratulations) We all make mistakes in our youth. Military officers fess up, and then learn from them. Admitting pot won't disqualify you. Now psychadelics on the other hand will.

 

[Pistlpetet]

Minor in Possesion of Alcohol??? Big deal! Fess up to that one, it does not involve anything reckless, violent, or pertaining to operating equipment. Your good. Like anyone who asks you about it had never drank a beer in High School.

Say NO to ALL drug questions, unless busted for drugs.

Only list your best friends as references, and then let them know the deal.

All you guys trying to get a pilot slot.....Don't confuse the depth of them finding out stuff with the background investigation of a TS clearance. When you first go into the military the local recruiter checks the court houses of places where you might have listed an incident or infraction. Then they do a GENERAL National Agency Check. They did not have an investigator at your junior prom when you smoked a joint with Sally Jane Rotten Crotch.

Once you are in and need a TS, then they are looking for Security Risk behavior ie.... Are you in severe Debt? Do you have an Alcohol/Drug Problem? Violent Behavior? Loyal to Country?

Busted by Sherif Billy Bob for having a six pack at the Mayberry county fair is not going to harm your future.

 

[B52GUNNER]

Well said. It is all hearsay unless the cops have something on you.

As for the TS and above. I can only speak for the heavy bomber part, but if you have access to any attack plans and Crypto you need TS. The Crypto is classified as TS. If you Fly you are going to have some form of crypto to verify orders in the air. If you have access to special weapons you are going to need SIOP and SBI or SCI plus restricted data clearances. TS is only a begining. Almost forgot the good old PRP program. That is not really a clearance but is an ongoing thing. Gg to the flight surgeon and get DNIF, you might get pulled off PRP depending on the medication. Of course that is only temporary. But it sucks if you have to hand in your line badge to the Sq commander for any length of time.

Good luck. and dont sweat it

 

[Pistlpetet]

b52gunner,
You got me curious about what PRP is. Especially since it says "PRP considered" on my clearance. We don't speak nukes in the Army, so I was never even aware of what that was. After some looking I now know what it is.

Pete

 

[B52GUNNER]

PRP is not a real big deal, but it is. It is basically everyone keeping an eye on each other all the time to make sure there is no big change....Basically your current state of mind. All people that have access to Special weapons (Nuke and other) are on the PRP program. Maint included.

 

[JetDeep]

No way no How! Dont fill out something thats sealed and something you've done 17 years ago. I'm amazed you even rememba it!

 

[hanksate]

What are the consequences to admiting to prior use if you have already said you havent used. How does the TS check work? Will they only talk to people I list and the people that I tell my people to list?

 

[talondriver]

I know a radar navigator who admitted to smoking marijuana on his SCI paperwork and they didn't kick him out. He didn't get his SCI level clearance but still remained on PRP.

 

[hanksate]

what is sci and prp? Does this mean that there is still hope for an honest person that made a mistake?

 

[talondriver]

what is sci and prp? Does this mean that there is still hope for an honest person that made a mistake?

read B-52 Gunner's posts below for SCI and PRP.
Sure there's hope for an honest guy who made "a" mistake. Now, if you were a dealin' pothead, you'll have a lot of explaining to do

 

[hanksate]

I was 15 or 16 and tried it some, thats it. I didnt think it would matter so much. Now I know, and I want to clear the air. Do you have any advice of who I should go to, or should I just wait and tell my TS interviewer? What are my avenues? Thank you for the advice.

 

[hanksate]

I'll take advice from anyone.

 

[LJDRVR]

Quite a bit of "barracks lawyering" goin' on here. What the heck, I'll add my two cents worth: For those of you who are enlisting, working on a commision, etc, refer to previous posts advocating telling the truth. If your big dilema when joining up is whether or not to tell the truth, then it's time for a gut check. TELL THE TRUTH! Every single time! If the transgression was minor, you probably don't have anything to worry about. If it costs you your opportunity, then so be it. Would you rather take your chances with not getting your shot, or roll the dice with potential disciplinary action or UCMJ fun? None of us are perfect, TELL them.

I'll speak from personal experience here, in seeing several of my troops getting denied their clearances; The DIA will uncover just about anything. Also,don't plan your actions based on whether or not you expect to ever get a certain clearance. When I joined the Air Force I got the standard "Secret" national agency check, never thinking I would need anything else. Four years later I was in a special duty assignment that required a clearance involving an investigation by a whole mess of alphabet agencies. Point here being you never know where you'll end up. Fess' up.

 

[T1bubba]

Hanksate,

As Moose mentioned quite correctly on the other thread, the issue for you is no longer whether or not you smoked pot. The issue for you is now how to deal with the fact that you have falsified government paperwork and made false statements on your previous application. This is a much more serious issue, and will very likely result in the denial of any high-level clearance if discovered.

The military usually takes the view that if you'll lie about one thing on your application, you'll lie about other things as well. They don't have the time to spend rechecking everything you've ever said so it's much easier to just deny the request for a clearance. I don't know what it would take for them to actively prosecute you for falsifying your previous application, but you may want to talk to a lawyer before you admit to anyone that you've falsified your paperwork.

Smoking pot won't generally matter much to anyone as long as it was in the past and not an everyday activity. Making false statements on an application for a clearance, however, will put you in a world of hurt.

If you're serious about 'fessing up on the pot smoking/paperwork falsifying, I would talk to a lawyer before proceeding any further.

LJDRVR- DIA investigates crimes. DSS does the vast majority of clearance investigations for the military.

T1
Ex-DSS contractor

 

[hanksate]

If this was something that I forgot, since it happened 10 years ago will it still be as serious an issue.

 

[T1bubba]

You forgot that you had smoked pot??? What else did you forget about?

There are really only two ways to look at it-

1. You actually can't remember what drugs you did or didn't do, in which case you are absolutely not cut out for life in the military.

2. You deliberately lied.

Smoking pot was absolutely not a big deal UNTIL YOU LIED ABOUT IT. Then it became falsifying government documents, an entirely different subject.

I'm not a military lawyer, so I won't try to guess the consequences of lying on your application paperwork. Once again I would advise you to talk to a lawyer before proceeding any further in this matter. I am sure a lawyer can give you better advice than anonymous people on an internet board.