B747 down in South America?

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Are the police detaining the crew? Passports?

 

[30West]

BOG is notorious for pulling a pallet, reshuffling the exact same contents, then putting the "new" weights down on the paperwork.
Either way, you still carry the same stuff out one way or the other.
And they "never" get left out in the rain before being loaded either.
I can't remember a single leg back to MIA from BOG where the Alpha Speed didn't illuminate 10kt early for each flap setting on the approach.

Standard T/O brief for BOG- We'll rotate at Vr, or the red centerline lights, whichever comes first.

As stated above, however it happened, a soaking wet 747 putting down in the mountains of Columbia with no occupant fatalities? Absolutely beyond amazing.

 

[dutch747]

BOG is notorious for pulling a pallet, reshuffling the exact same contents, then putting the "new" weights down on the paperwork.
Either way, you still carry the same stuff out one way or the other.
And they "never" get left out in the rain before being loaded either.
I can't remember a single leg back to MIA from BOG where the Alpha Speed didn't illuminate 10kt early for each flap setting on the approach.

Standard T/O brief for BOG- We'll rotate at Vr, or the red centerline lights, whichever comes first.

As stated above, however it happened, a soaking wet 747 putting down in the mountains of Columbia with no occupant fatalities? Absolutely beyond amazing.

Couldn't agree more. It was very suspicious when you would plug all the runway and acft conditions to compute an ACL for them, and magically the weight of the cargo load matched the ACL exactly...hmmm....

There is an update on the condition of the crew posted on the other board.

Here is the direct link:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/cargo/28365-kalitta-crash-near-bogota-9.html

 

[bigsky]

just talking to a friend who used to fly a dc-8 down there. He had a good point as he said one day somewhere in central america they decided to fly the engine out procedure for this airport, with all engines operating normally---he said they had to break it off as they wouldnt have made it....Just something to think about as sometimes this data may not really work as planned especially when you are way overloaded. I would have to give a lot of thought to leaving one burn for awhile as long as it was producing thrust, until I knew I was clear

 

[fareview]

Anyone know whether the PIC Brian Beebe is the same guy who was with FlightSafety in ATL or is that a namesake?

fv

 

[2dotslow]

Anyone know whether the PIC Brian Beebe is the same guy who was with FlightSafety in ATL or is that a namesake?

fv

Brian has been with Connie for a long time. He started out as an FE and if I remember correctly, he was an Fe sim instructor. I don't know what his past life was.

As a freight dog from a long time ago, Godspeed to them all.

Former Connie Cocksucker

 

[Guam360]

Brian has been with Connie for a long time. He started out as an FE and if I remember correctly, he was an Fe sim instructor. I don't know what his past life was.

As a freight dog from a long time ago, Godspeed to them all.

his first is actually Bryant, long time freight dog, one of the best out there, great to fly with. Knows South America very well.

 

[Flyer8]

The latest update on the Engineer,Joe Kendall, is a mix of good and bad news. The first estimate was only a 30% chance of survival,but they are becoming a little more optimistic as time goes on. As of yesterday, he was still in a drug induced coma to allow the swelling from the head trauma to ease. He had a ruptured spleen,which was removed.They were also successful in treating a blood clot (in his leg,I think) which was a major threat. They were successful in draining a lot of fluids which were collecting in his lungs. I believe they are going to bring him out of the coma today or tomorrow and that should allow them to assess his situation regarding mental and physical challenges in the future. His wife and two sons are in Bogotá as well as a lot of Kalitta and NTSB people. The family is in the hotel with these folks and appreciate the support they are receiving. If you know Joe, as soon as he realizes how big the audience is around him, he will wake up and start the performance! Still keeping my fingers crossed and praying for a good outcome...
By the way,my understanding is that they were taken to the military hospital because it was the best available. So far, the family seems pleased with the care he has received.

 

[avbug]

Are the police detaining the crew? Passports?

No. Most personnel returning home today. Kalitta arranged for and flew the families down to be with the crewmembers and bring them home.

 

[Guam360]

I am in YIP today, I heard they return to the US today. any possibilities or does anyone know if they will arrive here first?

 

[Hocus Focus]

Beebe was with Pan Am as a F/A way back in the day. Flew many a trip with him on the DC8 great Capt on and off the bird. Flew with all the guys except two including the LM and the MX, all were extremely competent aviators, I def believe they did everything in their power to prevent a larger disaster.
Godspeed in thier recoveries.

 

[One Dot Low]

Joe will recover a lot faster if the hospital replace the IV with Diet Coke instead. God speed my friend.

 

[Muskycat]

Joe will recover a lot faster if the hospital replace the IV with Diet Coke instead. God speed my friend.

LMAO!

I was going to say, don't send chocolates, flowers, or puzzles. Just send Diet Coke and Joe will be just fine.

 

[iaflyer]

Joe will recover a lot faster if the hospital replace the IV with Diet Coke instead. God speed my friend.

Ha! I was going to post that - maybe the coma is from lack of Diet Coke! (for those who don't know - Joe drank Diet Coke like other people breath air. He carried a 2 liter around and drank it like a fish.)

 

[Princedietrich]

Sounds like my kind of guy, although I prefer Vault Zero myself. Drinks like a soda, kicks like an energy drink, and you pee neon green for a week. Judging from the pictures in the other thread's slideshow of the engineer's station, that must have been one serious smack to the noggin.

Here's to hoping that all the Kalitta guys get well and come home soon. :beer: