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That's GREAT. Now I can chill's wif my Krunk Juice and not worry 'bout spillin on da dude next ta me...... Bouyyyyyyyyyyy...

seriously, that is great and the rest of the carriers need to take the same action.
 
What's amazing to me is that no one thought of adding more legroom before now. I mean -- WOW!!! You gotta be sh!tt!n me - it was right there in front of our noses. The dude is a genius. WOW!!!!
 
At least there are no plans to furlough, yet, but I hope they do a decent job explaining this to the flight attendants. A 25% reduction in cabin crew costs and motels is probably the last significant cost cutting they can come up with. At this point, it all comes down to generating revenue.

I suspect there is one more significant change coming - a small business class. They'll probably make that change once the dust settles and the staffing is sorted out.

One more thought - if the E190 pay was based on a percentage of A320 seats - then mathematically, the E190 guys just got a raise. Congrats! ;-)

IMHO
 
Will they call it "Comfort Class" or "More Room Throughout Coach"? Hey, I know--call it "Premium Seating".

This isn't good. If they could sell those seats, they would. IMO.TC
 
Why don't you put my post back up from last night (that the moderator from B6 took down) instead of starting one of your own? Inquiring minds want to know?
 
will do then. I figured you would just repost it since it would be easier to do but I can do that if you like
 
Well, I see it but the content is gone. It was edited and then deleted to remove the time stamp. So, you are more than welcome to re post it if you like. The issue that I had with it was that there was a strict disclaimer on the company email last night specifically stating not to share of discuss until 7am today. Within about an hour you had posted it here. I sent you a PM explaining why I took it down and asked where you copied the info from and you refused to reply, but instead come to the public side and question me on why I did what I did. So, the point is that you posted something here that was not suppose to be made public until this morning and that carried disclaimers on the original content not to distribute. Like I said, I know some idiot from airliners.net had posted it as well and stuff like that can get people fired. I posted it this morning almost 2 hours after 7am when I noticed you did not re post it. Its not my responsibility to babysit your post and reactivate it when the time is right, just re post it....that's the easiest thing to do.
 
One less flight attendent equals 25% less service available to the passengers. Interesting news coming from an airline who's "niche" is service. Compound the loss of revenue with the fewer seats to the loss of revenue to less service and it just makes you shake your head.... but I'm sure it looks really good on paper to the beancounter that came up with it. Maybe it was an ex-Delta person that came up with it since all of the 4th floor from the Leo era seemed to go to JB (besides Bushy, I know of several upper management types that ended up there).
 
FlyingSig said:
One less flight attendent equals 25% less service available to the passengers. Interesting news coming from an airline who's "niche" is service. Compound the loss of revenue with the fewer seats to the loss of revenue to less service and it just makes you shake your head.... but I'm sure it looks really good on paper to the beancounter that came up with it. Maybe it was an ex-Delta person that came up with it since all of the 4th floor from the Leo era seemed to go to JB (besides Bushy, I know of several upper management types that ended up there).
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I know our pax are going to be so upset with three flight attendants handing out unlimited snacks, drinks, and headsets for the 36 Channels of Direct Tv and 170 Channels of Xm radio that they will run over to the Delta Connection Dash 8's and 50 seat Rj's with one FA that delta dumped on our shorthaul routes to add capacity
 
I think it's two more rows to service per F/A. I think they can handle it, but they might have to do their Sudokus in the crashpad.
 
Longhorn said:
Well, I see it but the content is gone. It was edited and then deleted to remove the time stamp. So, you are more than welcome to re post it if you like. The issue that I had with it was that there was a strict disclaimer on the company email last night specifically stating not to share of discuss until 7am today. Within about an hour you had posted it here. I sent you a PM explaining why I took it down and asked where you copied the info from and you refused to reply, but instead come to the public side and question me on why I did what I did. So, the point is that you posted something here that was not suppose to be made public until this morning and that carried disclaimers on the original content not to distribute. Like I said, I know some idiot from airliners.net had posted it as well and stuff like that can get people fired. I posted it this morning almost 2 hours after 7am when I noticed you did not re post it. Its not my responsibility to babysit your post and reactivate it when the time is right, just re post it....that's the easiest thing to do.
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1. I'm not a JB employee, I can't get fired. 2. If I get info from somewhere that was leaked I will post it if it seems news worthy, as long as safety or security is not involved. 3. You trumpet "more leg room" in your title while I titled it "seat reduction/FA cuts". You repost a article with your spin, is that moderator bias? 4. Maybe you need to recuse yourself from starting JB topics as a moderator?
 
Wow. You guys have your panties wad up so tight you couldn't even recognize that I wasn't making a dig at JetBlue employees but a bonehead management decision. I think the extra service you currently have is what distinguishes you from other airlines that nickel and dime everthing (including Delta who only has 150 seats on our 737-800's for the exact same reason) I thought it was dumb when Delta started reducing FA staffing and that's what started us downhill and I think it's dumb that you guys are doing it.

Or is your blood so blue that you'll jump at any opportunity to do more work for less pay (yes, that was a black and white dig)?

Bottom line is that you'll have less service. Some passengers may notice and if they feel that they are no longer getting a premium service for the price, yes for the same price they'll take the crappy RJ or Dash and get the same preceived service from one person (the blue way right...more from less? yup, that's another dig...I know you guys are slow and need it spelled out) all while getting real miles they can use to go to Hawaii or Europe or wherever.... or if the TV is all they care about now you get the same less service with the TV's on Delta too for transcons (the competing flights where that stuff matters - how much TV can you watch JFK-BUF?)... when you had service plus TV's you had us beat...all you did was lower yourself to our service levels. So now it boils down to other perks (schedules and miles).

But luckily for the flight attendents they can rest assured that the flightinfo JetBlue pilots will give them the encouragement they need to do the extra work for the same pay because when given the opportunity these same pilots will gladly step of to the plate when it's their turn.
 
lampshade...check your pms....you took me completely wrong. Second...I did not repost the artical with my spin....I posted a link to the artical itself so please explain to me how the heck that is me posting it with my spin. The only way you could have gotten that info last night was from either you being an employee or pasting it from another website, in which an employee posted it there. I am not going to allow FI to be responsible for having information posted on here if is specificly is not suppose to be here until a certain time...7 am today in this case.
 
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Got your PM...thanks for understanding. Time to get some sleep
 
FlyingSig said:
Wow. You guys have your panties wad up so tight you couldn't even recognize that I wasn't making a dig at JetBlue employees but a bonehead management decision. I think the extra service you currently have is what distinguishes you from other airlines that nickel and dime everthing (including Delta who only has 150 seats on our 737-800's for the exact same reason) I thought it was dumb when Delta started reducing FA staffing and that's what started us downhill and I think it's dumb that you guys are doing it.

Or is your blood so blue that you'll jump at any opportunity to do more work for less pay (yes, that was a black and white dig)?

Bottom line is that you'll have less service. Some passengers may notice and if they feel that they are no longer getting a premium service for the price, yes for the same price they'll take the crappy RJ or Dash and get the same preceived service from one person (the blue way right...more from less? yup, that's another dig...I know you guys are slow and need it spelled out) all while getting real miles they can use to go to Hawaii or Europe or wherever.... or if the TV is all they care about now you get the same less service with the TV's on Delta too for transcons (the competing flights where that stuff matters - how much TV can you watch JFK-BUF?)... when you had service plus TV's you had us beat...all you did was lower yourself to our service levels. So now it boils down to other perks (schedules and miles).

But luckily for the flight attendents they can rest assured that the flightinfo JetBlue pilots will give them the encouragement they need to do the extra work for the same pay because when given the opportunity these same pilots will gladly step of to the plate when it's their turn.
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Gotta love it always some legacy know it all using the strongarm to make himself feel better.. Newsflash JB going out of business because we are adding a premium seating product to our services. The reality as a pilot for JB is that they are removing seats that equal approx 4 total aircraft in capacity. That is about 56 of my brothers on the seniority list. Would you prefer we sell four aircraft keep and extra FA to service 6 seats and send out 56 pink slips?

The funniest part of this is that your post cries the whole us and them mentality. The reality is that JB is made up of literally hundreds and hundreds of legacy pilots that were sick and tired of being fleeced by bad management decisions. ( Delta, Usair??) You should know a little about that coming from Delta dont you?

Merry Xmas from ALPA
 
Just Phase I

B6 will eventually go to a premium split cabin. St. George is pushing for it, but Neeleman will hold off until he sees if this move helps. The legacy's will all have IFE TV/Premium(2X2) seats in a few years for their customers looking for the extra pampering. Virgin made a mistake by advertising what they were going to do.

When they do go to a split cabin (125 seats), it will be on a limited number of 320's flying long haul only. They will call it Jetblue Plus. Should give the 320 the legs to make it without fuel stops.

They still should order some 319s as they grow.

:pimp:​
 
All Moderators

You trumpet "more leg room" in your title while I titled it "seat reduction/FA cuts". You repost a article with your spin, is that moderator bias? 4. Maybe you need to recuse yourself from starting JB topics as a moderator?


I don’t think a moderator should post any messages at all, at least not regarding his/her own airline. Hard to remain unbiased when it comes to your own. Longhorn - I believe you showed a slight bias in this case by changing the title 180 degrees. The original post was painting JB in a slightly negative way, your post showed the changes at JB as a positive development.

Also, I think every moderator should have a disclaimer as part of their “signature” explaining which airline they work, or used to work for. Kind of like stockbrokers who are trying to sell you some shares have to disclose that they actually own the stocks themselves. Longhorn - What do you think?
 
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Ok, now why did American add all their seats back into service after having the "roomiest coach" in the airline business? This is not the first reduction in seating for JetBlue. We used to carry 162 pax on our aircraft. Maybe we'll just convert the rest of the A320 deliveries to A319s! I guess management reasoning is purely a cost cutting measure and oh btw, the customers will like the extra leg room. Come on, it's not about the leg room, it's about cost savings! One less FA = one less employee and health care expenses etc. Also saves 900 pounds by taking out 6 seats (are they including the pax weight too?) Right now, the airline's biggest cost is FUEL. So, if this saves gas and improves the bottom line, it's a good quick fix. You can always sneek the seats back in when fuel prices or competition dictates.

I wonder if they will take out a flight attendant jumpseat too? This just made our commutes on JetBlue a little harder.
 
AV80R said:
You trumpet "more leg room" in your title while I titled it "seat reduction/FA cuts". You repost a article with your spin, is that moderator bias? 4. Maybe you need to recuse yourself from starting JB topics as a moderator?


I don’t think a moderator should post any messages at all, at least not regarding his/her own airline. Hard to remain unbiased when it comes to your own. Longhorn - I believe you showed a slight bias in this case by changing the title 180 degrees. The original post was painting JB in a slightly negative way, your post showed the changes at JB as a positive development.

Also, I think every moderator should have a disclaimer as part of their “signature” explaining which airline they work, or used to work for. Kind of like stockbrokers who are trying to sell you some shares have to disclose that they actually own the stocks themselves. Longhorn - What do you think?
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Thank you first of all for approaching this professionally. Yes, I agree that as a mod we should not start threads about our own airlines. I can see where the bias part comes in there and for that I am sorry. I really did not mean for it to come across that way. The title of the thread was a recap of the title of the artical. So, for now on, I will not start a thread about JB. I will discuss things within a jetblue thread as a mod and member of this community but will no longer start a thread either good or bad about the airline that I work for.

As to the last part, I disagree that we have to state who or where we use to work. You all know that I work at JB. End of story. I dont need to change my sig just to make some members here happy.

I will be off the board for a few days. I had a flu for the last week and it turned into pheunmonia (sp?). I ended up in the urgent care yesterday and am home for at least the next 10 days. I dont need this drama going on right now. As for the member that had an issue with it to begin with...we worked things out and everything was settled.

I am off to bed for a few days now.
 
36 inch pitch

AA717driver said:
Will they call it "Comfort Class" or "More Room Throughout Coach"? Hey, I know--call it "Premium Seating".

This isn't good. If they could sell those seats, they would. IMO.TC
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I see what you're saying, but I'm cautiously optimistic this is for the best. While I agree most flycheaperthantakingthebus.com passengers will never pay a premium for anything, we do have a good number of customers who pay us a *small* premium for our service and product. While this very slightly degrades the service, I think it substantially improoves the product. The 190 has 1 FA per 50 pax, now the 320 will too, and the 320 stage lengths average much longer. So worst case the FA's have the same work to do each as on the 190, but almost always they will have more time to do it. Trust me, on transcons they sit in their jumpseats 95% of the time doing crosswords and pole dancing in the aft galley. Okay, maybe its a watered down Irish step dance but I got lost in the moment.

So I don't think its a sign we're going under because we can't sell the seats. Lately our load factor is down but our yields are up and thats by design. We hired a PhD to make that happen and it appears he's doing a good job initially. These 6 seats are seats we rarely filled with revenue pax on only a small percentage of flights only during a few select peak travel days per year. We lose a LOT of business by not having at least a "starter" first class like most domestic narrow body legacies, Air Tran and others have. If the pax won't pay a dime for the extra room, then we can put it back to 34 (still very good for domestic coach) and have a typical MD-80 first/business class thus opening up a higher paying cross section of customers. Besides, fewer seats on the market, higher yields and fewer super saver tickets flooding the system is good for all of us IMO.
 
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AV80R said:
You trumpet "more leg room" in your title while I titled it "seat reduction/FA cuts". You repost a article with your spin, is that moderator bias? 4. Maybe you need to recuse yourself from starting JB topics as a moderator?


I don’t think a moderator should post any messages at all, at least not regarding his/her own airline. Hard to remain unbiased when it comes to your own. Longhorn - I believe you showed a slight bias in this case by changing the title 180 degrees. The original post was painting JB in a slightly negative way, your post showed the changes at JB as a positive development.

Also, I think every moderator should have a disclaimer as part of their “signature” explaining which airline they work, or used to work for. Kind of like stockbrokers who are trying to sell you some shares have to disclose that they actually own the stocks themselves. Longhorn - What do you think?
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I think that all brontosaurasis's are thin at one end, much, MUCH larger in the middle, and then thin again at the other end.
 
Longhorn - Thanks for your reply; my comment wasn’t directed at you only but all moderators of course. Btw, until reading “Lampshades'” comment I had no idea you worked for JetBlue, I’m sure I could’ve done some research but never saw any need for it.

Nevertheless, I understand your position as well. Maybe whenever moderators make a comment about a specific airline that they happen to be working for, they could just make a quick acknowledgment of the fact in their post? This way, you don’t have to advertise you current employment each time you post, yet you let the people reading a particular post that you do happen to have a vested interest in the airline you are commenting on?

Just a suggestion and either way, it’s all good, and thanks for your reply again and I hope you’ll feel better soon.

“I think that all brontosaurasis's are thin at one end, much, MUCH larger in the middle, and then thin again at the other end.”

"Brainhurts" - I AM very slow and my brain does hurt right now... Can you explain this to someone who’s r-e-a-l-l-y slow please?
 
I agree with you. A quick note if comments are made would be a good idea. My avatar was a JB pic for a long time and ac flown had 320 and 190 on them....I assumed it narrowed it down but you know what they say about assuming things...:laugh:
 
Longhorn said:
I agree with you. A quick note if comments are made would be a good idea. My avatar was a JB pic for a long time and ac flown had 320 and 190 on them....I assumed it narrowed it down but you know what they say about assuming things...:laugh:
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Bring back the UT Uterus.
 

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