B6 Hotel?

[IB6 UB9]

1) Not pertinent but I basically already answered the question.

2) According to some of your own experts, I guess just at Jet Blue.

I was actually enjoying bantering back and forth with you...but you are starting to lose me.

 

[JP4user]

If you did indeed get out of the industry you did it for your own reasons and insinuating B6 had anything to do with that proves YOUR ignorance. Also, when other company's pay less and provide less benefits yet you single out only one company, well again, your ignorance reigns supreme. Lastly, if you can present factual information rather than 6th grade slander then do so. People will listen and make educated responses. Other than that throwing around intro to econ terms doesnt do a whole lot for your credibility or your argument.

I insinuated I left becasue of B6? Tell me Sparky...just where did I say that? This is rich and it is comments like this that make this so funny watching guys like you get your panties twisted in a knot.

If you reading skills are above the elementary level will note above sweety I also mentioned other ALPA carriers in this discussion. Perhaps that was just a little too much information for that brain to comprehend at once?

Your type of sniping back does everything for my credibility because it just shows, as with you, I am hitting close to home.

Alice.....I can also see you are not doing too well with your partnership on your signature line.

 

[JP4user]

I was actually enjoying bantering back and forth with you...but you are starting to lose me.

Not intending to as it seems you are the only Blue guy that can hold a reasonable debate.

I left a legacy carrier with lump sum intact, gone into the private sector with a business not avaiation related. Flying on a contract basis a larger piece of equipment which I will not divulge what and for whom.

I do think the carriers represented by the unions have their opinions heard but who knows? Nothng matters until all of us (or those left) stop accepting and working for peanuts.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Nothng matters until all of us (or those left) stop accepting and working for peanuts.

When someone (or those left) come up with a solution to that I bet you will have a large audience. To lay the blame on any one group is...madness.

 

[JP4user]

When someone (or those left) come up with a solution to that I bet you will have a large audience. To lay the blame on any one group is...madness.

Did you miss where I have stated several times that ALPA and the legacy pilots are just as much to blame?

 

[IB6 UB9]

Did you miss where I have stated several times that ALPA and the legacy pilots are just as much to blame?

Actually, yes I did, and I just finished reading it. I think it was #88 or so. Until we get some unity amongst ourselves, we'll never be anything more than what you are looking at right now. This website is a sample of management's dream...everyone fighting amongst themselves, some even wearing identical uniforms. Sad.

 

[Nado]

Cmon, JP4. We all want to know who you work for. It will help explain this scope lock you have on JB. Why are you so sensitive and protective of the answer? at least answer that.

I think I have a copy of of the JB contract I can get for you so you can disssect that as well, tell all what needs to be fixed, what is wrong, and what should be done differently. Let me know. Ill hook you up. No one has the answers like you.

 

[Acefaser]

I don't think the one has anything to do with the other but who knows. All I was trying to pass on was my Dad said the whole thing sounded like a great idea for Braniff in the begining, then turned into a real problem and money pit in the end. History proved this experiment over there...will it repeat itself?

I see the Hotel the same as CAL with the wingets on the 75's. Cost a lot at first, but pays for itself in the long run. In fact I can't think of any airline that hasn't made such a transaction. I guess you could also say to buy an airplane would be the same because of the high initial cost, but in the long run it would pay for itself (for some airlines ). So stop being such a hypocrite JP4user.
I am glad your dad is such a great airline analyst.

 

[Lake Alice]

I insinuated I left becasue of B6? Tell me Sparky...just where did I say that? This is rich and it is comments like this that make this so funny watching guys like you get your panties twisted in a knot.

If you reading skills are above the elementary level will note above sweety I also mentioned other ALPA carriers in this discussion. Perhaps that was just a little too much information for that brain to comprehend at once?

Your type of sniping back does everything for my credibility because it just shows, as with you, I am hitting close to home.

Alice.....I can also see you are not doing too well with your partnership on your signature line.

Junior, your going to have to come back at all of us with more than that. Like I said, make your accusations and assumptions with basis in fact. It just makes for a better discussion when you can back up your comments.There is nothing personal here I like my job and I think we will be just fine. Lastly, leave the pet names at home, you can't pull it off.

 

[curtaindriver]

JP4user,

I'll try and add to the guys who can reasonably debate with you. Jetblue prides itself on being innovative and thinking "outside the box." That in no way guarantees success. We were one of the first to have "live" tv, if not the first, domestically. JetBlue bought the company LiveTv because they thought..."why rent when we can own". Hopefully that logic pays off. The hotel is the same. Hopefully it works, I am confident that it will. We also just paid 7 million for the right to use the internet in the air. This will also be something we sell to other airlines.
Good luck to you in your new endeavor, I'm glad you are still keeping your nose in aviation.
By the way, I hope you don't truly want JetBlue to disappear, there are a lot of great people here. Just like, I truly don't want to see another airline disappear either. I have a lot of friends and family at most other airlines.

CD

 

[Hutcha]

The sad thing about this whole thread is that it's 15 mins of my life that I can never have back.... Ever!! :crying:

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Not intending to as it seems you are the only Blue guy that can hold a reasonable debate.

I left a legacy carrier with lump sum intact, gone into the private sector with a business not avaiation related. Flying on a contract basis a larger piece of equipment which I will not divulge what and for whom.

I do think the carriers represented by the unions have their opinions heard but who knows? Nothng matters until all of us (or those left) stop accepting and working for peanuts.

If you left a "legacy carrier" with cash, why are you remotely interested in what B6 does?

 

[MD80DRVR]

If you left a "legacy carrier" with cash, why are you remotely interested in what B6 does?

He could care less about B6. He's just a sh*t stirrer like many of the other flamebaiters on this board. He just uses a "little" more intellect to get people to bite. Unfortunately, many of you continue to keep him amused by carrying on this rhetoric with him.

 

[JP4user]

He could care less about B6. He's just a sh*t stirrer like many of the other flamebaiters on this board. He just uses a "little" more intellect to get people to bite. Unfortunately, many of you continue to keep him amused by carrying on this rhetoric with him.

You're right, I could care less about what eventually happens to B6. I also could care less about my old employer and even ALPA for that matter. That is the nice thing about bailing. But like I said to the guy above, I didn't realize you lose your right to an opinion when you retire.

I also could care less about some of the other idiots like you that chime in and are afraid to hear an opposing point of view that, like it or not, is laced with truth.

 

[JP4user]

If you left a "legacy carrier" with cash, why are you remotely interested in what B6 does?

Why are you remotely even interested in my reasons for discussion? Maybe I am just bored? Maybe I enjopy productive conversation with the limited few who have the intelligence or gnads to engage in discussion?

Is leaving a legacy carrier with "cash" a prerequisite to not discuss anything?

 

[JP4user]

Junior, your going to have to come back at all of us with more than that. Like I said, make your accusations and assumptions with basis in fact. It just makes for a better discussion when you can back up your comments.There is nothing personal here I like my job and I think we will be just fine. Lastly, leave the pet names at home, you can't pull it off.

Junior? Is that a pet name as well? Assumptions not based on fact? You're right Sparky, I made up the whole thing about the BI crew hotel. I even was able to insert a false page in Google just to bolster my replies. You are a smart one that is for sure.

I am thrilled you like your job and the 190 rates you or your peers are earning. I thought HR was a little tougher over there. From some of the replies on this board there sure are some character flaws leaking through.

 

[JP4user]

JP4user,

I'll try and add to the guys who can reasonably debate with you. Jetblue prides itself on being innovative and thinking "outside the box." That in no way guarantees success. We were one of the first to have "live" tv, if not the first, domestically. JetBlue bought the company LiveTv because they thought..."why rent when we can own". Hopefully that logic pays off. The hotel is the same. Hopefully it works, I am confident that it will. We also just paid 7 million for the right to use the internet in the air. This will also be something we sell to other airlines.
Good luck to you in your new endeavor, I'm glad you are still keeping your nose in aviation.
By the way, I hope you don't truly want JetBlue to disappear, there are a lot of great people here. Just like, I truly don't want to see another airline disappear either. I have a lot of friends and family at most other airlines.

CD

Thank you for a reasoned and well worded response. It is interesting because this whole exchange deteriorated over a flippant comment I made about burning cash. Some of the really thin skinned rose from the bowels of FI to defend their turf. Only a select few (yourself included) had the intelligence and maturity to enter into a reasoned debate. I got to thinking over why I said that, the responses I made back from deep within about the 190 etc. etc. as well as comparing other replies referenced about the legacy carriers.

I think what it really boils down to is your description of JB above is in fact very accurate. I also think the reason the ire is hurled towards JB from outside is, as small as you are now in comparison, it was a huge dissappointment to pilots to see an innovative leader be allowed to estabish a cancerous pay scale with the 190. Face it, the timing of the push for a change in duty and flight time changes added fuel to the fire.

My perspective was just to pass on from an old salt (my Dad) who lived through an experiment like this as to his perspective. Not a cost analysis or benefit. But a perspective that you couldn't just find on Google. Unfortunatly there are some who just don't want to listen to a differing view.

As I said above, I do not wnat t see anyone underemployed or unemployed. It seems after reading about how others chime in to gloat about a blatant wish for destruction of JB, I am a pretty mellow in my thoughts, reasons and above all concerns.

Thank you again for your maturity. Some of your peers are sorely lacking in this area but people like that never change anyway.

 

[JP4user]

I see the Hotel the same as CAL with the wingets on the 75's. Cost a lot at first, but pays for itself in the long run. In fact I can't think of any airline that hasn't made such a transaction. I guess you could also say to buy an airplane would be the same because of the high initial cost, but in the long run it would pay for itself (for some airlines ). So stop being such a hypocrite JP4user.
I am glad your dad is such a great airline analyst.

Hypocrite? I am a little lost what the comparison of CAL winglets to this crew hotel was either even mentioned or relevant to one another.

As far as my Dad... he is no analyst. Just an old timer living out his last days that offered an opinion on a fiasco that he saw with his owns eyes. Froma pilot perspective to boot.

 

[Lake Alice]

Junior? Is that a pet name as well? Assumptions not based on fact? You're right Sparky, I made up the whole thing about the BI crew hotel. I even was able to insert a false page in Google just to bolster my replies. You are a smart one that is for sure.

I am thrilled you like your job and the 190 rates you or your peers are earning. I thought HR was a little tougher over there. From some of the replies on this board there sure are some character flaws leaking through.

You posted one article that truly "bolsters" your argument that Braniff did indeed have a hotel and countless "my daddy said" or "my daddy told me" comments. Let us all know when you have more information. Don't forget your big words/concepts like micro and macro and maybe toss in a little predatory pricing. Feel free to comeback with any of the "how'd you slipt through HR" or historical comments like "doomed to repeat it". Like I said, give us something factual or historical that proves a litte more than the building did in fact exist.

 

[JP4user]

You posted one article and countless "my daddy said" or "my daddy told me".

Both are accurate....so what? I also don't recall calling him "Daddy". This only proves your lack of reading and memory skills. Either one is a lot more material than your lack of intelligence could provide...or even fathom for that matter.

Have you resigned your position in your signature line yet? From a fool like you it is a disservice to that pretend organization.

 

[Ifly101]

All I was trying to pass on was my Dad said

Sheesh, what's wrong with you people. He was just passing along what his dad said. After all, what more proof do you need that this whole thing is going to turn into a financial disaster?

Hey JPee, if you keep this thread going long enough, you will only have 5 months before you can reapply. Better luck next time...you know we will be pulling for you.

 

[JP4user]

Sheesh, what's wrong with you people. He was just passing along what his dad said. After all, what more proof do you need that this whole thing is going to turn into a financial disaster?

Hey JPee, if you keep this thread going long enough, you will only have 5 months before you can reapply. Better luck next time...you know we will be pulling for you.

Passing along a memory equals proof? Another Blue rocket scientist in our midsts. The old guys who have been there and done that do have valid opinions based on history and facts. Go get Alice to help you look up the meaning of proof versus recollection. I know it is going to be tough, but you just may learn something.

We also could learn a lot form their generation. Especially seeing as how many of those who have come after them have destroyed this once proud profession.

About the application, sorry sport....even in my prime, under the best of conditions, I wouldn't of even thought of applying to JB. Now I now for some like yourself, flying that shiny 190 for substandard wages is as far as you could ever of hoped to aspire to. It doesn't mean that everyone wants to follow in your shallow footsteps. Your ridiculous assumptions are the reasons people think that it is a cult over there. Such arrogance.

 

[Nado]

Cmon JP4, don't be so sensitive.

 

[Longhorn]

Are we all finished yet, this thread is not going anywhere!!

 

[clickclickboom]

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whats crazy is that he has probably put hours and hours into policing his posts and formulating retalitory responses.

What do you fu%%king care if some airline that you do not like is building a hotel, watching tv on flights, or cleaning cabins put the same amount of effort into your own airline and in the end it will all work out!

 

[cgmason1]

sorry sport....even in my prime

Its cool man.

If these rantings help you feel better about yourself then go ahead.

Fly Safe
Chuck

 

[starvingredtail]

Hey JP4,
I am currently out on sick leave with some busted ribs and such. I think you need some of the cool drugs (lortabs) that I am taking. Are you sure you are not 3210lt? You sound like a kook.
Thank You,
SRT

 

[starvingredtail]

Anyhoo,
The hotel sounds like a good idea to me, If it goes bust, the real estate is worth a gold mine.

 

[JP4user]

http://www.stargods.org/EvilBeatlesCharlesManson.jpg


whats crazy is that he has probably put hours and hours into policing his posts and formulating retalitory responses.

What do you fu%%king care if some airline that you do not like is building a hotel, watching tv on flights, or cleaning cabins put the same amount of effort into your own airline and in the end it will all work out!

Interesting you brought up cleaning cabins when I never said a thing about that. It must bother you a little to bring it up?

 

[JP4user]

Hey JP4,
I am currently out on sick leave with some busted ribs and such. I think you need some of the cool drugs (lortabs) that I am taking. Are you sure you are not 3210lt? You sound like a kook.
Thank You,
SRT

I am definetly not 32. I think his rantings are much more direct. Him I would certainly classify as a kook.