B19 Flyer

[CA1900]

I think we've discovered his secret identity, folks:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/boss_gets_into_groove_after_3rd?utm_source=a-section

 

[B19 Flyer]

You'll be just fine.

The guy that sits in that right seat, with the final decisions being made by someone else, still has infinitely more responsibility than a management puke like yourself.

Us management pukes don't care about the names you want to call us because we know that everything all pilots do originates from us.

As long as pilots conduct themselves exactly as we say they should by the policies and procedures we designed to stop them from hurting themselves you can call us anything you want.

In the end, we know why the flight was successful and who was really responsible. All you have to do is exactly as we design and say... you'll be just fine.

No need to thank us, we already understand.

 

[Midge]

I'm not a union buster...

Exactly. Its been proven that you're obviously just some dumbass kid! Look at the time you post. (Today, 12:32)
Amazing, with all the time in your busy management schedule that you can find time to play around here with your anti union tactics!

but it's people like you that support unions who are more concerned with who I am rather than what your union has not done for you that I find fascinating.

What did your dad teach you that one? Look, kid, I think its honorable that you're trying to cover up for your old man's mishaps, but your reaching, and you're just not that tall!

I have nothing to prove Midge, but you support a union that makes promises that they can't keep. Look at FLOPS, over three years now with many thousands of dollars wasted.... and 1108 is no closer now than there were then. Don't blame the company, blame the union.

Well let's look at how great management has performed. Like the management at United, or the management at Delta, Us Airways, Northwest.....OR any airline for that matter.
Ok, let's take it one step further, let's look at GM. They go running to the government, looking for a handout, and how do they get there? On their multi million dollar private jets? WOW, that's some management.
No B19, you're not management, you're not even a lawyer, but just some dickhead kid trying to stir the pot.
I'm done with you, and will leave you with the last word. Thanks for the debate, you absolutely have convinced me that kids are just that.....Kids.
Now, I'm sure recess is over, get off the computer and back to the playground!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Is that the best you can do?

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Exactly. Its been proven that you're obviously just some dumbass kid! Look at the time you post. (Today, 12:32)
Amazing, with all the time in your busy management schedule that you can find time to play around here with your anti union tactics!



What did your dad teach you that one? Look, kid, I think its honorable that you're trying to cover up for your old man's mishaps, but your reaching, and you're just not that tall!

Well let's look at how great management has performed. Like the management at United, or the management at Delta, Us Airways, Northwest.....OR any airline for that matter.
Ok, let's take it one step further, let's look at GM. They go running to the government, looking for a handout, and how do they get there? On their multi million dollar private jets? WOW, that's some management.
No B19, you're not management, you're not even a lawyer, but just some dickhead kid trying to stir the pot.
I'm done with you, and will leave you with the last word. Thanks for the debate, you absolutely have convinced me that kids are just that.....Kids.
Now, I'm sure recess is over, get off the computer and back to the playground!

Is that the best you can do?

Kinda weak, really.

Debating with you is downright silly. You've already admitted you store your knowledge in your pubic hair. All you wrote about above are the old union arguments and the classic payroll jealousy because you are stuck in the right seat without the skills in aviation to do anything more.

What has the time I post got to do with anything? Why don't you go and do a survey about when I post, what time I post, the days I post and see if you can put together a common thread.

It would be interesting to see what you produce for data and the conspiracies that you come up with.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

Us management pukes don't care about the names you want to call us because we know that everything all pilots do originates from us.

As long as pilots conduct themselves exactly as we say they should by the policies and procedures we designed to stop them from hurting themselves you can call us anything you want.

In the end, we know why the flight was successful and who was really responsible. All you have to do is exactly as we design and say... you'll be just fine.

No need to thank us, we already understand.

B19,

Are you absolutely serious? The quoted post must be tongue in cheek!

So ... No accident, incident, fatality, and so forth has ever happened even-though, or worse, in spite of the crew following procedures, check-lists, etc to the letter?!

In case you truly believe the infallibility of management, and in particular, flight operations management, please review some of the more unfortunate accidents and incidents in history! American, among a whole list of others, have had a number of accidents and incidents that can be traced back to faulty policies, procedures, training, and, checklists.

It seems to me that you do not believe in safety enhancing programs such as ASAP, FOQA, and, NASA's ASRP. After-all, management, and in particular, flight operations management does not need any input in enhancing and improving the policies, procedures, training, and, checklist!

IDEtoNJA

 

[Midge]

Ok, against my last words. One more try........

Is that the best you can do?

Hey kid, my worst is better than your best any day!

Kinda weak, really.

No, kinda on target.

Debating with you is downright silly.

Most uneducated people would feel that way young man.

You've already admitted you store your knowledge in your pubic hair.

All that I've written and this is the only rhetort you can respond with? I'd say my point is proven. Yet another whitty comeback by the "Higher level manager" at 1pm. And, dickhead, if you were paying attention, I said that "I've got more brains in my pubic hair than you do in your entire body." If you're going to quote, at least get it right. But then again, you have the brains of a 12 year old, this is to be expected.

All you wrote about above are the old union arguments and the classic payroll jealousy because you are stuck in the right seat without the skills in aviation to do anything more.

Wrong again dickhead. I'm not in the right seat, I'm in the left seat. have been for several years. yet again, you prove to be wrong in everything you spew out of your 12 year old pie hole. Your grade school teachers must be so disappointed in you.

]What has the time I post got to do with anything? Why don't you go and do a survey about when I post, what time I post, the days I post and see if you can put together a common thread.

I have kid. It shows you're in no way shape or form management, or any kind of lawyer, but some snot nose pimple faced kid with lots of time on his hands.

It would be interesting to see what you produce for data and the conspiracies that you come up with.

Once again that you are a spoiled little 12 year old kid with 1/2 a brain.
400+ posts, and 27 pages later, you've gotten way more attention than you deserve. Now get back to picking boogers and scratching your daddy's leg.
I'm sure its way past bed time for you. So tomorrow, when you're back at recess, you can respond with the last word.
AMF!
Midge.
Captain, proud union supporter, former CEO, and B19 spoiler!

 

[Midge]

deleted. duplicate post

 

[GerryG]

Us management pukes don't care about the names you want to call us because we know that everything all pilots do originates from us.

As long as pilots conduct themselves exactly as we say they should by the policies and procedures we designed to stop them from hurting themselves you can call us anything you want.

In the end, we know why the flight was successful and who was really responsible. All you have to do is exactly as we design and say... you'll be just fine.

No need to thank us, we already understand.

Behold, His Royal Highness, would be Rex Procurator, holder of vast knowledge on all things pertaining to aviation and pilots unions.

For once we have a glimpse at the soul of our antagonist. He tries to bait us, but in the process, a genuine thought is revealed.

How do we know this narcissistic "union avoidance" functionary is a King among peasants? Because as he says, "everything pilots do emanates from us."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI

 

[B19 Flyer]

Behold, His Royal Highness, would be Rex Procurator, holder of vast knowledge on all things pertaining to aviation and pilots unions.

For once we have a glimpse at the soul of our antagonist. He tries to bait us, but in the process, a genuine thought is revealed.

How do we know this narcissistic "union avoidance" functionary is a King among peasants? Because as he says, "everything pilots do emanates from us."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI

As a union leader, you know the union has failed at Flight Options and will continued to fail even if an agreement is reached.

You can't admit that unions are not needed to run a company. Unions are there for your pleasure, not for the security of the company, the employees, the shareholders and the passengers.

You have failed to get a contract in over three years of attempted negotiations. Management hasn't won, your union has failed and has continued to fail.

All the employees at the company have suffered, the passengers have suffered and most importantly, all the union pilots that you pretend to support have suffered by your failure.

Those of us that have the courage to manage do so knowing that we'll suffer the consequences of insignicant people like you. Your goal is to line your pockets on the efforts and ideas of others. Management's goal is to maintain a working entity that remains profitable and provides a service to those who buy into the service.

In the fractional world, it is proven that non-union fractional carriers have stayed viable in light of the overwhelming size and cash from unionized Netjets.

The year is young, but if FLOPS has any chance to survive it will do it without a union if the lack of quality leadership as you provide continues.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Thank the lord there is management to create policies to keeping you safe.

Midge.
Captain, proud union supporter, former CEO, and B19 spoiler!

I went back through your posts and you attempt to pick fights with anybody you can. You've been a captain for several years, I've been in management for several decades keeping pilots like you for hurting yourself.

You're not as smart as me, you are not as successful as me, you are not as independent as me, unlike me you rely on others to speak for you as a union member and in the book of reality, are nothing but a pilot that thinks he can manage in aviation because he says he can, not because he has the courage to do it or the guts to try it.

You are more of an athletic supporter keeping your knowledge stored in your pubic hair than you are a proud union supporter. Your attacks on me reflect your pubic reality.

You prefer to tear things down rather than build them up. You are a classic problem child of a pilot, one that needs a union to keep them out of trouble because of your poor decision making abilites.

Thank the lord there is management to create policies to keeping you safe.

 

[brokeflyer]

I p1ss perfection and $hit excellence......so now you both may bow to me....

your welcome

 

[dime line]

da19 What a moron

 

[GerryG]

Those of us that have the courage to manage do so knowing that we'll suffer the consequences of insignicant people like you. Your goal is to line your pockets on the efforts and ideas of others. Management's goal is to maintain a working entity that remains profitable and provides a service to those who buy into the service.

"Union leader", I'm deeply flattered. If I was a union leader, I think this is what I would say to you.

It is just the kind of deep-seated contempt for the pilots, on display above, that inspired the pilots at Flight Options to begin their fight for a first contract.

BTW, I do not suffer under the delusion you hope to perpetuate, that you are management. I believe you are nothing more than a hired blogger, as I have said a "union avoidance" functionary, plying your trade. And as with family guy and others of your ilk, you will disappear as soon as the pilots at Flight Options ratify their CBA.

Although I find it repugnant to speak to you directly, this time I will bite. That being said, lets get back to your open contempt for pilots. Although I believe statements such as the one above, are nothing more than carefully considered attempts to push our buttons (taken directly from your union-busting bag of tricks), I think it is noteworthy that you profess to believe that management and management alone creates a profitable company. You so easily discount the contributions of the workforce and snidely dismiss the concept that anyone other than management is capable of contributing to a companies success.

Never mind that in the fractional world it is the pilots who are the face of the company every day, are the only employees licensed to carry passengers and are charged at a most fundamental level with mitigating our customers risk. Something that, in spite your pharisaical assertions, no manager can fully guarantee, through policy and procedure.

The pilots at Flight Options seek a contract, something every manager, ballplayer, attorney, physician partner, auto buyer and even my local paper carrier, benefits from. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our work rules and job protections to be put in writing. I also believe that a contract will form the basis of cooperative labor/management relationship (see NetJets, Southwest), will give the pilots a voice in running the company many of them have devoted their lives to for years and contribute greatly to the companies success and profitability. However most would well understand that those of us who have lived through the change associated with five different CEO’s in ten years, need to have it in writing to buy into the program. I also suspect our management understands that as well.

That you would devote so much of your time to undermining our federally protected efforts to acquire something so basic and essential in the aviation industry speaks volumes. That you would attempt to misdirect us with falsehood and boilerplate union-busting rhetoric, speaks of your desperation.

We are on the cusp of achieving our goal and when we do you will move on to some other "project". I will await that time, with full knowledge of what you are and what you are trying to do here.

 

[B19 Flyer]

"Union leader", I'm deeply flattered. If I was a union leader, I think this is what I would say to you.

It is just the kind of deep-seated contempt for the pilots, on display above, that inspired the pilots at Flight Options to begin their fight for a first contract.

BTW, I do not suffer under the delusion you hope to perpetuate, that you are management. I believe you are nothing more than a hired blogger, as I have said a "union avoidance" functionary, plying your trade. And as with family guy and others of your ilk, you will disappear as soon as the pilots at Flight Options ratify their CBA.

Although I find it repugnant to speak to you directly, this time I will bite. That being said, lets get back to your open contempt for pilots. Although I believe statements such as the one above, are nothing more than carefully considered attempts to push our buttons (taken directly from your union-busting bag of tricks), I think it is noteworthy that you profess to believe that management and management alone creates a profitable company. You so easily discount the contributions of the workforce and snidely dismiss the concept that anyone other than management is capable of contributing to a companies success.

Never mind that in the fractional world it is the pilots who are the face of the company every day, are the only employees licensed to carry passengers and are charged at a most fundamental level with mitigating our customers risk. Something that, in spite your pharisaical assertions, no manager can fully guarantee, through policy and procedure.

The pilots at Flight Options seek a contract, something every manager, ballplayer, attorney, physician partner, auto buyer and even my local paper carrier, benefits from. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our work rules and job protections to be put in writing. I also believe that a contract will form the basis of cooperative labor/management relationship (see NetJets, Southwest), will give the pilots a voice in running the company many of them have devoted their lives to for years and contribute greatly to the companies success and profitability. However most would well understand that those of us who have lived through the change associated with five different CEO’s in ten years, need to have it in writing to buy into the program. I also suspect our management understands that as well.

That you would devote so much of your time to undermining our federally protected efforts to acquire something so basic and essential in the aviation industry speaks volumes. That you would attempt to misdirect us with falsehood and boilerplate union-busting rhetoric, speaks of your desperation.

We are on the cusp of achieving our goal and when we do you will move on to some other "project". I will await that time, with full knowledge of what you are and what you are trying to do here.

Gerry,

You are the one that shows contempt for pilots and the industry. I have never shown contempt for pilots, only disgust at unions for the promises they make and continually don't keep.

Each union failure such as the one occuring today at Netjets just proves that unions don't help, rather they hinder the career of pilots that are forced to be in one because of people like you.

You mention SWA and Netjets in your email. It's clear the partnership at NJ, while they would like you to think it's wonderful, is strained right now.

SWA is teetering on profitability right now, and for the first time since the most recent contract was signed, SWA pilots are considering going to a standard, non-profit based formula and not participating in the company wide effort. When that happens, the only reasonable contract in the industry will be gone with it.

 

[brokeflyer]

guess it sucks to be me then.

 

[B19 Flyer]

guess it sucks to be me then.

That's true of course, but that has nothing to do with airplanes.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Just to clarify.

B19 Flyer is not whom everyone thinks he is, some misinformation was given. To that respect I apologize for being part of the misrepresentation of this individual. B19 Flyer also does not work for Flight Options as previously stated. So I would please ask that he be not referred to as Bob. So I would ask that people discontinue the name calling or reference to SCAB, Thank you. As far as debateing the union or non-union issue have at it boys!

The moderator is correct in this statement. I don't and have never worked for Flight Options.

 

[wacoflyr]

Let me get this straight. This thread sat completely ignored for an entire month, and just now you have decided to answer the original question, bringing it from somewhere in the forgotten back pages, all the way to the front. Narcissistic just doesn't quite say it all. You really should have read that FBI profile. Reading that would have felt like looking in a mirror. Actually your avatar is perfect for you; inflated, overbearing, with a head of stone.

 

[netjetwife]

....It is just the kind of deep-seated contempt for the pilots, on display above, that inspired the pilots at Flight Options to begin their fight for a first contract. I remember your early discussions and your card drive. I've supported you guys from day one because your fight is justified and raising the bar across the industry will make things better for all the frac families. The Flex pilots are seeing the same contempt from their managers and are starting to mention a Union. If they decide to organize their efforts I'm sure the Options pilotgroup will lend their moral support and friendly advice. Kudos to 1108 for continuing the tradition of giving the other frac pilots a place on your message board.

... The pilots at Flight Options seek a contract, something every manager, ballplayer, attorney, physician partner, auto buyer and even my local paper carrier, benefits from. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our work rules and job protections to be put in writing. I also believe that a contract will form the basis of cooperative labor/management relationship (see NetJets, Southwest), will give the pilots a voice in running the company many of them have devoted their lives to for years and contribute greatly to the companies success and profitability. ...
Well said!! It is an elemental truth that applies to every non-union frac in the industry. In a nutshell, contracts are about respect. Managers that respect pilots are willing to work out a contract together. If they aren't, then it becomes imperative to have one as the Flt Ops pilotgroup has learned.

We are on the cusp of achieving our goal ....

I know it's been tough, but kudos to the Options pilots and their families for not giving up! They say that the first contract is the hardest to get because management fights you every step of the way, trying to break your will. Typical bully attitude --once you stand up to them, they back down and you earn their respect for standing your ground. You guys are laying a foundation that will make your future better and will make it easier for the next frac pilotgroup to also secure a contract. Best Wishes Always! NJW

 

[Scope out RJ's]

The moderator is correct in this statement. I don't and have never worked for Flight Options.

Um, actually he's not a moderator anymore.
Ever think maybe there's a reason for that!