B-744F vs. B-777F...?

[NERVOUS]

What can the B-777F "do", that appears to make it a better option to the Whale?

Just curious as to the "real-time" specs. from those flying these two types of freighters, as to how they compare to each other.

Load vs. Distance vs. cost etc....

Discuss...

 

[tailwindz]

What appears to you that is better?

Better at what?

If you notice, Southern isn't racing to add more 777's, they are working hard on the -400 though.

 

[LR25]

You definitely look cooler in the whale than the giant 737 look a like, and when you lose a motor, you dont declare an emergency.

 

[GG747]

From what I have been reading, the B777F can do what the B747-200 can do with a lot less gas. But the B747-400F still cannot be replaced by the B777F unless maybe they turn a B777-300 into a cargo bird.

 

[big pimpn']

hey NERVOUS, don't I know u?

 

[NERVOUS]

hey NERVOUS, don't I know u?

Depends....

I owe ya' money or sumptin'???

 

[NERVOUS]

What appears to you that is better?

Better at what?

If you notice, Southern isn't racing to add more 777's, they are working hard on the -400 though.

Good point!

I guess I was just sittin' here thinking, well with all these shiny new 777F's you now see out and about, what that might spell for those of us flying "ancient" 400's at this lil ol' ACMI airline I know of.

 

[big pimpn']

Depends....

I owe ya' money or sumptin'???

No, but the front desk says u owe the young korean boy 50000 won for some sort of favors at the sheriton Incheon.

 

[swordfish]

What appears to you that is better?

Better at what?

If you notice, Southern isn't racing to add more 777's, they are working hard on the -400 though.

Wrong!

here is a quote from our CEO's Email sent out this week:::::

"We developed our long term strategy and I am pleased to say that this growth strategy was fully endorsed by Oak Hill. Our intent is to grow the 777F fleet to 10 aircrafts (contrary to all the rumors out there, Oak Hill is fully behind our 777F’s!!), we are in the process, as I type this, of acquiring the first of our 10x747-400’s, the first of which will be delivered in 2011"

 

[CX880]

777 is a huge success with Fedex. That's definitely a check plus towards the 777F

 

[Classicdriver]

Wrong!

here is a quote from our CEO's Email sent out this week:::::

"We developed our long term strategy and I am pleased to say that this growth strategy was fully endorsed by Oak Hill. Our intent is to grow the 777F fleet to 10 aircrafts (contrary to all the rumors out there, Oak Hill is fully behind our 777F’s!!), we are in the process, as I type this, of acquiring the first of our 10x747-400’s, the first of which will be delivered in 2011"

Hope you find a better customer for the remaining 777's than Thai. They have NEVER succeeded in cargo only ops. Thai would be my next to last choice for a new plane, MAS being my last choice. I think Thai still owes Atlas money and they helped sink Focus. LH couldn't make it work either.

 

[bahumba]

Hope you find a better customer for the remaining 777's than Thai. They have NEVER succeeded in cargo only ops. Thai would be my next to last choice for a new plane, MAS being my last choice. I think Thai still owes Atlas money and they helped sink Focus. LH couldn't make it work either.

Nice.........................................!

 

[dakotaHC8]

The B777 Freighter is more of a replacement for the MD-11 than the 747. It is in that sense a successful plane, and part of the reason FedEx likes em so much.

 

[BoeingBaller]

The 777F is far more fuel efficient...It can almost carry the same load.

 

[NERVOUS]

The 777F is far more fuel efficient...It can almost carry the same load.

Are you currently flying it?

Care to elaborate on your definition of "almost"?

 

[BoeingBaller]

B777F Payload = 104t
B744F Payload = 113t

Ohhhh 9t wow

 

[Classicdriver]

B777F Payload = 104t
B744F Payload = 113t

Ohhhh 9t wow

20,000 lbs could be the profit margin. That is not a number that works for the longer legs. I don't think the 777 can carry that load from HKG to ANC, where the B744F can.

 

[BoeingBaller]

20,000 lbs could be the fuel savings what????

 

[Classicdriver]

It all depends on the freight demand and the leg length. The 777's are not going to the heavy lift folks. EK isn't using it like they thought. Mainly DXB to/from HKG. Not sure how Southern/Thai is working out. FedEx is not maxing out in weight, but in cubes, which is where 777 shines vs fuel burn.

The load the 744 carries in ten trips, will require the 777 to do 11 trips, oops, there goes the fuel savings.

 

[BoeingBaller]

Not in the long run oops... operating cost included that 9 ton loss is a drop in the bucket.

 

[atpcliff]

Does the -400F have more volume than the -777F?

 

[NERVOUS]

B777F Payload = 104t
B744F Payload = 113t

Ohhhh 9t wow

B-747-400F: 124t/4,400NM

B-777F: 104/4900NM

Boeing Baller,

Thank you. That took me 0.9 seconds. Not that I take the credit either! That's Google for ya. And taken directly from Boeing's website too.

Im sure I initially stated I was looking for insight from people currently flying either these two types around, not weekend keyboard warriors. I guess you were too busy typing "ohhhh's" to notice.

I had heard noises being made regarding the '777s load capabilities not being close to stated specs (from those people associated with them!) Which made me think to turn to FI to get a general feel from people also close to chime in.

From what I've gathered so far, letter/envelope types (FedEx) are very happy with them. I was more curious as to the Heavy Freight outfits and those ACMI carriers looking out to find work for them.

 

[bahumba]

Nervous.....

Well said ....Baller was getting a bit tiresome

 

[EuroWheenie]

The 777F's we've got can lift 106.7 tons payload, and fly same for around 10.5 hours. Can't do that with a 747. But it's horse for courses really, and in the world of integrators the 777F is a terrific aeroplane.

 

[AC560]

Does the -400F have more volume than the -777F?

Yes and generally a nose door. No idea the efficiency difference between the two in terms and RTM but from my perspective 74F is still best cargo option out there.

 

[propsarebest]

The nose door on the 74 sucks, unless you are loading very long pieces of freight.

 

[AC560]

The nose door on the 74 sucks, unless you are loading very long pieces of freight.

Very long pieces of freight pay a lot of money and the 74F aside from the Antonov's is the only game in town for this type of cargo.

 

[Classicdriver]

The nose door on the 74 sucks, unless you are loading very long pieces of freight.

Actually, Cargolux uses the nose loading as a normal course of business. The only restriction is pallet height. They can load and unload out of both ends.

 

[propsarebest]

Very long pieces of freight pay a lot of money and the 74F aside from the Antonov's is the only game in town for this type of cargo.

True, but that kind of freight comes by every once and a while.

 

[propsarebest]

Actually, Cargolux uses the nose loading as a normal course of business. The only restriction is pallet height. They can load and unload out of both ends.

96 inches... but the side door can do 108.