Awful quiet

[gunfyter]

Don't you worry, Never Fear ... the Pilot Shortage of 2012 will soon be here...

Demand for airline pilots set to soar - USATODAY.com

 

[OPECJet]

It'll be awesome!!!

Provided of course everyone ignores out of sight fuel prices, eliminating smaller cities, parking RJs, reducing frequencies, and a pesky economy that insists on tetering on the edge of a double dip recession.

 

[Willy21]

Naw, the bucket should be fine. I found some video of it in action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGfXiIXTpE0

From this day forward Sokol's bucket boy shall be called "piss boy."

 

[pilotyip]

Don't you worry, Never Fear ... the Pilot Shortage of 2012 will soon be here...

Demand for airline pilots set to soar - USATODAY.com

good to see you are also a believer in the great 2012 hiring boom

 

[CA1900]

From this day forward Sokol's bucket boy shall be called "piss boy."

:laugh: I like it!

 

[av8trinabarrel]

good to see you are also a believer in the great 2012 hiring boom

HAHAHHAHA....If you believe he is serious about the pilot shortage, then I have a highly sought after NJ recall date in OCT 13 for sale! Take the hommer glasses off

 

[LAZYB]

HAHAHHAHA....If you believe he is serious about the pilot shortage, then I have a highly sought after NJ recall date in OCT 13 for sale! Take the hommer glasses off

I've got training travel's number on my speed dial.....

 

[BentOver]

I've got training travel's number on my speed dial.....

I've been calling the post office asking if they've seen my certified letter from NJA...thought maybe it had gotten lost

 

[OPECJet]

AA retired 111 pilots on 9/1. They are expecting another 500 to go before the end of Oct. (I think). I'm no believer in this supposed "huge" pilot shortage, but there will be some hiring going on.

I think the economy / fuel prices are going to cancel out a true hiring boom.

 

[KiddDynomite]

I personally think anyone hired after the '05 contract was unneeded. We never took the deliveries they anticipated and ended up overstaffed. Throw in the economy plunging down the crapper and this is the mess we have. I don't think we'll ever see recalls or at least the numbers we would like to see. Also you have to consider that the clowns running this show now are trying to do more with less. Every time I down a plane for a hard write-up, I'm on an airline to another. They're testing the waters. Just the way I see. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[LAZYB]

News at eleven.

 

[BentOver]

I personally think anyone hired after the '05 contract was unneeded. We never took the deliveries they anticipated and ended up overstaffed. Throw in the economy plunging down the crapper and this is the mess we have. I don't think we'll ever see recalls or at least the numbers we would like to see. Also you have to consider that the clowns running this show now are trying to do more with less. Every time I down a plane for a hard write-up, I'm on an airline to another. They're testing the waters. Just the way I see. I hope I'm wrong.

I think you're a bit off here... Around '05 contract, what did NJA have? Maybe 2100 pilots.. I got hired mid-'07 and there were atleast 480 a/c.... You're theory suggests that 2100 pilots could have manned 480+ a/c.. Thats nearly a 4.4 pilot/aircraft staffing ratio.. Way too little, and BTW well below the contractual staffing minimum.....I was also here for the winter 2007 busy season (the one where NJA had record flights) No way '05 staffing levels could have supported that much flying...Unless of course you were losing OT, then we were overstaffed

In winter 2007/'08, every person on property was most certainly needed. Without a doubt.

I'll agree that those hired in mid-late 2008 may have been uneccessarily hired... They were running classes up until Sept. 2008 or so.

 

[BentOver]

News at eleven.

To believe or not to believe.. That is the $1,000,000 question..

 

[KiddDynomite]

Hey BentOver, one thing you have to consider is relaibility. No one mentions that and I failed to in my previous post. What are we running now, 60-70% on a good day? It get's pretty complicated but they are doing more with less and also factor in the decreased flying by the owners. These clowns are going to keep shrinking it and try run with less. I believe one of the reasons they had such a big hard on for scope relief is that they wanted to sell more shares and just keep the airframes parked and use charter (read that EJM) to cover the gap in service. The Ponzi scheme gets bigger!

 

[BentOver]

Hey BentOver, one thing you have to consider is relaibility. No one mentions that and I failed to in my previous post. What are we running now, 60-70% on a good day? It get's pretty complicated but they are doing more with less and also factor in the decreased flying by the owners. These clowns are going to keep shrinking it and try run with less. I believe one of the reasons they had such a big hard on for scope relief is that they wanted to sell more shares and just keep the airframes parked and use charter (read that EJM) to cover the gap in service. The Ponzi scheme gets bigger!

True, but that is really really old news from back in March-April, and the notion left the building when Sokol's bald head left. They have since given up on scope relief.

The reliability is always a factor when covering trips. But I fail to see how that correlates to the number of pilots needed to man 480+ airframes over the 2007 year when many of us were hired.

My point is, in 2007 the newhires that came on were needed and the planes were there..... I see no way that the 2007 flying could have been covered with 2005 staffing.....we're talking probably close to 600 pilots of the top of my head.... In 2007 reliability was not a factor in staffing.

The reliablity of a/c can also be "determined" by the pilots who fly them. ahem....those little nuisance lights that we all know how to fix on our own, but suddenly require write ups....ahem...