Awa/usairs Arbitration In !

[NCFlyer]

Because they don't nor have they ever flown aircraft for US Airways, Inc.

Not trying to hijack this threat but many of the aircraft operated by PDT are placarded with "Leased by US Airways", and the ones that aren't are owned by US Airways.

Just a thought, if Mr. Parker & Co announced that all the CEL pilots were to be merged with the mainline seniority list I am fairly certain the AAA pilots wouldn't want DOH. They would come up with every reason imaginable as to why it shouldn't be allowed. The first 120 or so pilots on the CEL list would have still be active pilots at mainline with their CEL DOH. A few have late '70s DOH & many have early '80s DOH.

 

[Green]

For over 50 years DOH was the standard ALPA position. With provisions and protections for different types of flying, ie wide body international etc.

It was good enough for PI/US and for PSA/US and for Allegheny Mowhak etc etc etc. It was the standard until the junior United pilots got it changed because they were afraid of a merge with US.

IF you take this to it's ridiculous conclusion when this company merges with Virgin, or Skybus or Spirit then all those pilots, some with less than one year seniority, hired as captains off the street, will be senior to most West pilots. Your service time will count for nothing.

You will see more mergers, and you may not like what you get, praticularly as you grow older and spend more time in this industry. Your prior service time has no meaning. If the company merges with some upstart you will get hosed.

A great way to build ALPA unity.

I think your logic is faulty there. Nicalou carefully looked at the value of jobs brought to the table...ie payscales/carreer progression. What are the career expectations of a Captain at Skybus? They are to make 65k per year indefinitely without a retirement. They would make more than 65k per year stapled to the bottom of the active USAirways list. Hence career expectations would be preserved and Pre merger pay would remain the same. Nicalou would never integrate skybus on a relative basis when you consider the economic value of jobs brought to the table. Skybus is an unproven airline whearas AWA is a major that has been around for the last 24 years or so.

Nicalou is the top arbitrator in the Nation. He has been working with airline mergers for decades. He didn't just pull this out of his A#s. Both pilot neutrals commented on his competency as an arbitrator in this award. Obviously this is highly emotional and many from both sides are pissed.
I would argue that AAA's expectations were absurdly high.

But my opinion doesn't matter and the saving grace is that nobody at AWA seems interested in PHL/CLT/etc except for the handful of pilots that commute from the east coast.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I like #4.

 

[Saabslime]

By the way, the arbitrator really did not follow ALPA merger policy and it does set a dangerous precedent.

Yet the east sides ONLY argument was for the arbitrator to consider a ruling that completely went away from ALPA merger policy.....DOH. You hypocrites are really starting to get old (pun intended), and merger policy WAS followed to the letter.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Nicalou is the top arbitrator in the Nation. He has been working with airline mergers for decades. He didn't just pull this out of his A#s. Both pilot neutrals commented on his competency as an arbitrator in this award.

This is not true. One of the pilot neutrals strongly disagreed with the construction of the list. He thought the list was unfair. But Nicolau did his own thing.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Not trying to hijack this threat but many of the aircraft operated by PDT are placarded with "Leased by US Airways", and the ones that aren't are owned by US Airways.

Just a thought, if Mr. Parker & Co announced that all the CEL pilots were to be merged with the mainline seniority list I am fairly certain the AAA pilots wouldn't want DOH. They would come up with every reason imaginable as to why it shouldn't be allowed. The first 120 or so pilots on the CEL list would have still be active pilots at mainline with their CEL DOH. A few have late '70s DOH & many have early '80s DOH.

Those A/C are owned by "Group", not "Inc." That is the difference...

 

[ALGFLYR]

You haven't fully thought that one out, have you? With Parker operating under two separate contracts, he can shift block hours and equipment from one contract to the other. Which way do you think he's likely to go, should he choose that action? To the side where he has a happy work force, or to the side where the work force wants to burn the place down?
Yep, East can operate under a separate contract until all that's left is a couple of baggage carts. Good plan.

This is not true. The Transition agreement clearly defines the minimum number of aircraft that must be operated on the East and West side. It also clearly states that NO aircraft may be shifted to the other side. This language was specifically designed to stop this management tactic during the period of seperate operations... however long that may be... And do you think Parker cares about which side is happy? NOT. It's all about the cost.

 

[Saabslime]

What you guys are'nt considering is that Prater will combine Mec's within weeks. There will be more than enough votes to pass a reasonable proposal by the company and the LIST as it will probably become known will go into effect.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

I would argue that AAA's expectations were absurdly high.

I think I can summarize this entire thread:

D'OH!

 

[PositiveRate]

FlyLow,

No big surprise you're for option #4. Pretty easy to say that from the outside. And yes, your last 5 yrs meant nothing as you had no chance of being recalled prior to the merger. If you want to come back to help burn the place down, though...that's your choice.

ALG,

Did you read the dissenting opinion? You paint it as if he thought the entire award was unfair - that is not true at all...it was mostly an ass kiss letter about what a great job Nicolau did. He dissented on the fact that the guys who have been recalled SINCE the merger announcement were still placed below Odell. He was silent on the other 5900 positions.

--He was also the EAST's pilot neutral--it goes without saying that he would write something like that.

---here's what he said...basically the recalls that started a YEAR after the merger announcement deserve to go somewhere higher....BS, but he had to say it.

"The vast amount of age-related attrition that has occurred within the US Airways pilot group caused the recall of over 300 US Airways pilots between March 2006 and the first week of January ofthis year. The pace of recalls is brisk and has continued. During the hearings we learned that additional recalls were taking place and there was testimony that stated at the current pace it was possible that all US Airways pilots would receive recall notices before the
end of 2007.

At a minimum, it is my opinion that the US Airways pilots, who had already received notice of their opportunity to return to work from furlough, should have received some consideration for the substantial time they have already invested in their airline...."​