AWA pilots...j/s to YVR?

[LandGreen]

Can offline pilots j/s international with AWA/U? thanks...any special procedures other than passport?

 

[OnTheDole]

Cabin J/S yes, cockpit no.

 

[atldc9]

I would double-triple check your jumpseat agreement prior to planning an international J/S with AWA. I asked a couple of AWA crews and gate agents in ATL 2 years ago if it was OK to J/S to Cabo, everyone said "no problem". Took CAL to SJD, they were great by the way, and when I tried to go home on an AWA 757 with lots of seats available, the CA said "No can do, not allowed to take international Jumpseaters". I can't fault the guy if that was the rule, but I sure would've liked to know that before hand.

The story I got later was they have international agreements with some but not others.

FWIW

 

[OnTheDole]

Directly out of our manual "individuals wishing to jumpseat for personal travel on an international flight will be required to occupy a cabin seat"

The only airline on the list I have that has any international restrictions is American and that even allows Mexico and Canada - I think the only reason its on there is because that’s Americans restriction for AWA jumpseaters going intl

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Directly out of our manual "individuals wishing to jumpseat for personal travel on an international flight will be required to occupy a cabin seat"

The only airline on the list I have that has any international restrictions is American and that even allows Mexico and Canada - I think the only reason its on there is because that’s Americans restriction for AWA jumpseaters going intl

YUP!!!!

WD.

 

[m80drvr]

You CANNOT jumpseat internationally on AWA. OUR OWN pilots cannot even jumpseat internationally, even if you sit in the back of the plane. I just went to cabo and before I left I verified with the chief pilot. No exceptions nada, does not matter where you sit, front, back or wing. Something to do with the TSA watch list. His explanation was weak especially in light of the fact that East pilots can jump internationally on their birds. The only pilots that can fill out a jumpseat form and ride internationally are the pilots who live outside the country. The company builds them into the outbound pairing as a crewmember.

Call the chief pilots office if you want to verify but unless the policy changes since JULY 10th, you cannot do it, front or back.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

You CANNOT jumpseat internationally on AWA. OUR OWN pilots cannot even jumpseat internationally, even if you sit in the back of the plane. I just went to cabo and before I left I verified with the chief pilot. No exceptions nada, does not matter where you sit, front back of wing. Something to do with the TSA watch list. His explanation was weak especially in light of the fact that East pilots can jump internationally on their birds.

Call the chief pilots office if you want to verify but unless the policy changes since JULY 10th, you cannot do it, front or back.

Who did you talk to?? Wonder if they bothered to read the FOM section on Jumpseating!!

Ok for those who are sitting in the cheap seats:>) FOM JS-1: Due to TSA security requirements, flight deck jumpseat travel to/from INT'l destination s for personal travel is not currently authorized. Individuals wishing to jumpseat for personal travel on INT'l flights Will be required to occupy a cabin seat!!

So you see, you can jumpseat on AWA aircraft int'l just not in the cockpit.

WD.

 

[OnTheDole]

You CANNOT jumpseat internationally on AWA. OUR OWN pilots cannot even jumpseat internationally, even if you sit in the back of the plane. I just went to cabo and before I left I verified with the chief pilot. No exceptions nada, does not matter where you sit, front, back or wing. Something to do with the TSA watch list. His explanation was weak especially in light of the fact that East pilots can jump internationally on their birds. The only pilots that can fill out a jumpseat form and ride internationally are the pilots who live outside the country. The company builds them into the outbound pairing as a crewmember.

Call the chief pilots office if you want to verify but unless the policy changes since JULY 10th, you cannot do it, front or back.

I'm no FOM pro so I might be off base, but if above is the rule why does it specifically state "mesa airlines and air midwest pilots on international flights" for the section jumpseat authorized - passenger seat only on js-8

I don't doubt that no international js may infact be the rule - I just can't find where our FOM forbids it.

 

[m80drvr]

You are right wiskey driver, Ernie and Duke were both pulling my leg, boy they really pulled on over on me convincing me that I couldn't jumpseat internationally. Go ahead and try it.

Like I said If you don't believe it just call the cp's office. My contention was that the FOM does not forbid it either BUT it is the policy of AWA that there will be NO international jumpseat for anyone, employee or not no matter where you sit in the A/C.

Why the F@#k would I make that up. Damn

 

[m80drvr]

Who did you talk to?? Wonder if they bothered to read the FOM section on Jumpseating!!

Ok for those who are sitting in the cheap seats:>) FOM JS-1: Due to TSA security requirements, flight deck jumpseat travel to/from INT'l destination s for personal travel is not currently authorized. Individuals wishing to jumpseat for personal travel on INT'l flights Will be required to occupy a cabin seat!!

So you see, you can jumpseat on AWA aircraft int'l just not in the cockpit.

WD.

Stop spreading UNTRUE statements. YOU ARE WRONG. NO ONE CAN JUMPSEAT ON AWA INTERNATIONALLY.

Call Duke or Ernie directly then please come back here and correct yourself.

Again Why the F@#K would I make this up.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Stop spreading UNTRUE statements. YOU ARE WRONG. NO ONE CAN JUMPSEAT ON AWA INTERNATIONALLY.

Call Duke or Ernie directly then please come back here and correct yourself.

Again Why the F@#K would I make this up.

Why all the hostility?? I just type what I read from the FOM!! Now if they have something OTHER THAN the FOM then we can expect a revision any time now. What does YOUR FOM say??? BTW I don't need to call Duke Erne or Dan the FOM is controlling now again do we have a NEW revision to the FOM that I am unware of????

WD.

 

[m80drvr]

Why all the hostility?? I just type what I read from the FOM!! Now if they have something OTHER THAN the FOM then we can expect a revision any time now. What does YOUR FOM say??? BTW I don't need to call Duke Erne or Dan the FOM is controlling now again do we have a NEW revision to the FOM that I am unware of????

WD.

No hostility, you insinuated that I was either lying, ill informed or stupid, by you last post. I am none of the three, I'm just trying to tell you what our company policy is. And Yes the FOM is controlling UNLESS the company comes out with a policy that is more restrictive, then that becomes the new policy wether it is in the FOM or not.

I'm surprised you are so resistant to calling the cp's office to get the straight poop. Really call them, you think I don't know what I'm talking about please prove me wrong for the benefit of the people who will try to jumpseat on us only to find out they CANNOT.

Or better yet, go ahead try to get to CABO or YVR on the jumpseat, then when you are denied just pull out the FOM. I'm sure the agent will be so impressed that she will let you right on , probably with a first class upgrade for FREE.

Ps. nope it's not in the fom and you are probably up to date. It's company policy dictated by the TSA. Don't know why the FOM is not correct, not my job, I'm just trying to answer a queston from another pilot with the most CURRENT AND ACCURATE INFORMATION. When he gets denied for the seat who's FOM is he going to show to the gate agent anyway.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

No hostility, you insinuated that I was either lying, ill informed or stupid, by you last post. I am none of the three, I'm just trying to tell you what our company policy is. You took that all wrong!! And Yes the FOM is controlling UNLESS the company comes out with a policy that is more restrictive, then that becomes the new policy wether it is in the FOM or not. Ok so they come out with a policy that no one knows about and expect all to follow it, How?? All policy and it respective changes must be placed in your FOM if it concerns flight operations.

I'm surprised you are so resistant to calling the cp's office to get the straight poop. Really call them, you think I don't know what I'm talking about please prove me wrong for the benefit of the people who will try to jumpseat on us only to find out they CANNOT. I am not disputing the fact that that's what they told you, my dispute comes into play when you are told of a policy and there is no mention of said policy in our flight bibles!!!

Or better yet, go ahead try to get to CABO or YVR on the jumpseat, then when you are denied just pull out the FOM. I'm sure the agent will be so impressed that she will let you right on , probably with a first class upgrade for FREE. No she won't because she or he will be doing their job. This is where you union comes into play. Now if the company wants to set policy then it must be in our FOM. Rest assured since you have made such a big deal about this that I will be checking with both company and grievance committee in the morning. Thank you.

Ps. nope it's not in the fom and you are probably up to date. It's company policy dictated by the TSA. Don't know why the FOM is not correct, not my job, I'm just trying to answer a queston from another pilot with the most CURRENT AND ACCURATE INFORMATION. When he gets denied for the seat who's FOM is he going to show to the gate agent anyway.

I don't know why it's not there either but trust me I will find out!! If there is a policy then the company is going to follow the rules. This is just another example of how there are far too many people in the same game all marching to a different tune. Stay tuned it will be handled.

FYI, we're on the same team so lets work together not against one another.

WD.

 

[m80drvr]

I agree Wd we should work together.

That being said I don't think I make a big deal about this. I had more up to date information than you because I called the cp's office two weeks ago. I was trying to answer a question posed by a member here.

You insinuated I was wrong , or misinformed, or lying on purpose or not. I'm just trying to get the correct word out. My perception of your reply was wrong I guess.

I will be interested to hear the cp's explanation as to why the FOM is wrong on this subject. Let me know.

Cheers

 

[m80drvr]

What did you find out WD?

 

[Wiskey Driver]

What did you find out WD?

Check you pvt message.

WD.

 

[DustyBottoms]

Just Jumpseated not too long ago out of Puerto Vallarta on us (AWA/US), and had no problem. I was required to have a cabin seat, though. Employees might as well non-rev, as the J/S is last on the priority list, but off-line can jumpseat too. If you're offline, you just have to check in at the ticket counter to pay your taxes. Once you get to the gate, the rest of the process is as if you were in the States (except for being able to sit up in the cockpit).

.. that's how it's supposed to work, anyway.

FOM doesn't say anything about not being able to do this.