avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

[Guitar Guy]

In government it is a democracy. In private enterprise, it's an unfriendly takeover.

Not to the 67% (in your example) that wanted representation.

And there was no "takeover" of the company. It was merely 67% (or a majority) of the pilots who felt that their collective interests were best serve by a union as is their right under the laws in our democracy.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Maybe it is time to come to the line again and remember what it is like in the real world?

Which part of the real world would you like me to remember? The part where I was laid off twice because of union actions or the one where I make more money and feel more secure than I've ever been by working for non-union carrier?

 

[B19 Flyer]

The only reason NetJets does as well as it does is the professionalism of the union pilots.

That is a HUGE slap in the face for non-union pilots. Flying for Netjets and belonging to a union does make them any more professional than the non-union pilots of Avantair. The pilots at Avantair are every bit as professional as Netjets, make no mistake about it.

 

[pilotpat]

That is a HUGE slap in the face for non-union pilots. Flying for Netjets and belonging to a union does make them any more professional than the non-union pilots of Avantair. The pilots at Avantair are every bit as professional as Netjets, make no mistake about it.

Come down your mighty throne, B19.

You've got such a huge, non-flying, management chip on your shoulder you can't even read context. Fischman is talking about the union pilots at NJA. Because you have your hard line non-union stance, you read way too much into his statement. I wouldn't believe for a second that he's bashing non-union pilots. You've got a lot of bitterness in your head and heart. If its been years and years and years since you flew and were laid off, I'd say its time to get over it and have some peace in your life.

 

[fischman]

That is a HUGE slap in the face for non-union pilots. Flying for Netjets and belonging to a union does make them any more professional than the non-union pilots of Avantair. The pilots at Avantair are every bit as professional as Netjets, make no mistake about it.

I meant no disrespect to the pilots of Avantair. Truly I didn't.

How about a rewording?

NetJets has enjoyed extreme success recently due to the professionalism of the pilots, who happen to be unionized.

You are a little oversensitive.

 

[fischman]

Which part of the real world would you like me to remember? The part where I was laid off twice because of union actions or the one where I make more money and feel more secure than I've ever been by working for non-union carrier?

No. I would like you to remember the 2 times you were laid off due to piss poor management. Management signs the contracts with unions. If they can't afford the contracts they shouldn't sign them. That is called poor management.

You may "feel" secure.

I AM secure.

 

[CA1900]

I'd like to point out that my last company had no problem furloughing half its pilots without a union. (This was before 9/11, too.)

 

[hangarrat]

this thread has nothing to do with avantair any more, how about I start a thread called "the pro's and cons of unions in the fractional aviation and airline industry" and you guys can go crazy on the topic in there. then when some one wants to know all the opinions for and against it, they can search for it.

 

[CherryBomb]

There is just too much to read here....


Anyone got the Cliff Notes????

 

[celloman]

CLIFF NOTES:

- Some people think its time for a union at Avantair due to some actions taken by management.

- Netjets wife chimes in that we need a union to secure our future...... again ;-)

- B17 flyer is bitter because he has been laid off twice and thinks it has to do with the union. Does not want a union at any airline.

- Other pilots point out bad things happen to non union pilot groups and it might be managements fault.

- The argument goes back and forth for at least 7 pages....

The end.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Let me remind you that B19 shouldnt be given ANY credibility because he's part of a core group of management at Avantair that arent and never were career pilots. All his " I worked for two union carriers, and got screwed" is bull********************. The only interest they have is raping the company for any and all money available for themselves. You're all wasting your time in engaging with any dialogue with him.

 

[gunfyter]

Which part of the real world would you like me to remember? The part where I was laid off twice because of union actions or the one where I make more money and feel more secure than I've ever been by EXPLOITING THE WORKERS at non-union carrier?

Emphasis added

 

[gunfyter]

. The pilots at Avantair are every bit as professional as Netjets, make no mistake about it.

Thats my belief as well.. but then...


Why are the FO's not allowed to fly in Class B airpace? Why do they get paid so much less?


Is it because they don't have a union or because Management is not what it should be?

 

[Dilligaff]

Why are the FO's not allowed to fly in Class B airpace?

GF,

The knee-jerk, reactionary policy created by some lawyer about FO flying was lifted a long time ago. There is still a restriction on FO flying with pax on board but the restriction is lifted after they have a couple months of experience in the Piaggio. The new policy is much more reasonable than the original stupidity-based policy.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

this thread has nothing to do with avantair any more, how about I start a thread called "the pro's and cons of unions in the fractional aviation and airline industry" and you guys can go crazy on the topic in there. then when some one wants to know all the opinions for and against it, they can search for it.

Rat, your right! What IS happening with the union at Avantair?