Avantair Training Contract

[Autoparts2]

Just wondering if any other frac has a training contract? The one at Avantair from what I understand is a bit stiff. Non prorated for 365 days and various other items. Anyone with any knowledge please shed some light.

What is the washout rate and the people having to pay this?

 

[Sparse]

Just wondering if any other frac has a training contract? The one at Avantair from what I understand is a bit stiff. Non prorated for 365 days and various other items. Anyone with any knowledge please shed some light.

What is the washout rate and the people having to pay this?

CS has a one year contract. $20,000. Guys leave but you never hear if it is enforced or not. I have only heard of one wash out in the last year. I would say it would be very hard to collect on that one.

 

[Number$Cruncher]

Been there, paid that....

Guys leave but you never hear if it is enforced or not...I would say it would be very hard to collect on that one.

Let me assure you that unless they are written by a non-lawyer, these things are most definitely enforceable. As distasteful as they are in most situations, a company's ability to collect on them is limited only by their determination. I've heard all sorts of arguments from naive pilots, including someone's claim that they would be found by a court amount to "involuntary servitude", but that's simply not the case.

If asked to sign one do the due diligence necessary to understand exactly what you're committing to, then make the decision. Under no circumstances sign one that would compel you to pay if you are involuntarily separated from the company for any reason. ASA is going through some of this right now - you might want to look into that situation for an additional twist on the subject. Caveat emptor.

 

[flyboy'sfriend]

Your Honor, I Object !!!!!

Didn't I hear that the CEO of Avantair is a New York City Lawyer?

That's enough to make your knees go weak when contemplating breaking that contract, let's hope that nothing unexpected happens the first year.:smash:

 

[eagleatr]

From what I've heard, they've only held one person to that contract. They only did that because he walked in one day and just quit. At least that's the story I heard....

 

[Guitar Guy]

Just wondering if any other frac has a training contract?

The new CBA at NetJets abolished all training contracts.

 

[brewerdog]

the contract is pretty heavy but I've heard the same - not many asked to pay, it was written by a team of lawyers so be careful

 

[pipejockey]

Well they certainly can't collect a training contract if they washed you out. You didnt leave, they fired you!

 

[flyboy'sfriend]

Are you sure about that? Are you willing to bet $18,000 on that hunch?

 

[Autoparts2]

Contract

Just spoke with someone here on flightinfo and they say it says you still owe them if terminated. If you do not make it through ground school or you leave, you owe them $8000.00. Once you start flight training and you leave on your own or they decide to tell you to leave you now owe them $18000.00
Sounds stiff to me, maybe this could be a reason why they can not find enough people. Anyone here tested the water?

 

[gunfyter]

I would be willing to take that risk. If you are terminated and they still want their 18K.... fine keep paying you your salary then.

They are the one's breaking the contract.

 

[pipejockey]

Sounds stiff to me, maybe this could be a reason why they can not find enough people.

Say what??? I sent them a resume several months ago and didn't get any interest whatsoever. I have over 1500ME and 1000 in the 727 which is what I am flying currently. My total is on the low side but it met their mins as of late last summer. I know they have raised the total to 2500 but gee whiz, doesn't 1300 turbine make me qualified to fly the Piaggio?

 

[Capt. JD]

Why?

Say what??? I sent them a resume several months ago and didn't get any interest whatsoever. I have over 1500ME and 1000 in the 727 which is what I am flying currently. My total is on the low side but it met their mins as of late last summer. I know they have raised the total to 2500 but gee whiz, doesn't 1300 turbine make me qualified to fly the Piaggio?

Why would you want to go from a B-727 to a P-180?

All contracts tell me one thing, the company has high turn over... If you dig deeper you usually fine a reason why. Is pay still 25,000 first year at AvantiAir?

 

[angryoneincher]

Why would you want to go from a B-727 to a P-180?

All contracts tell me one thing, the company has high turn over... If you dig deeper you usually fine a reason why. Is pay still 25,000 first year at AvantiAir?

Capt. JD

You are a wise man.

-AOI:beer:

 

[pipejockey]

Why would you want to go from a B-727 to a P-180?

1. Because I am about to lose my job.
2. I will be a life long SIC where I am at now even if we did have work in the future here.
3. Pay is frozen and Captain Pay is higher at Avantair than FO pay where I am at now, plus it's PIC turbine increasing my future potential.

I do love the 727 though.

 

[whiskytangofoxt]

JD, you are wrong about a high turnover rate

 

[angryoneincher]

JD, you are wrong about a high turnover rate

No, he's not.

 

[cornfed]

Is pay still 25,000 first year at AvantiAir?

Its $30k for first year

and there is almost no turnover ***apple or cherry***

 

[RollandPull]

the only turnover this year has been 3 pilots - one pilot got called up by Continental, one pilot left because he got a job with ATC. Only one pilot left because he was disgruntled with a previous DO, he went to netjets to fly a 10.

 

[brewerdog]

hay Angry - how may people have left?

if you are so unhappy why do you still work here?